United Kingdom and their cyber pornless future.

The UK is the HOME of pirate radio.

Pirate internet? Mesh networking between individuals to create a new internet? Host your own website on your phone/tablet/computer? Turn everyone's connected devices into nodes to pass and boost traffic to one another?

Everyone's tech these days is capable of sending/receiving wireless transmissions.

The internet after all is just a bunch of servers (computers) all hooked together. We all carry and use our own personal computing devices every day.

a reply to: Kettu

I feel very strongly that kids should not have access to porn at a young age.

I think the solution presented by the Brits is banal. It will simply not work and the very same kids they want to protect, will find ways around the censorship.

I would suggest separating the web into two parts. WWW and XXX. Then kids friendly computers simply can't access the XXX part.

I really do think access to porn harms children and rather than making a fuss over this, work towards a system that can actually work.

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It'll never happen, this gets said every year or two to keep the mumsnet sort of people happy, anyone who knows anything will be able to bypass the said controls in seconds. The technical effort of constantly scanning and updating systems to try and ban stuff will be a 25hour an 8 day week job for 54 weeks of the year

a reply to: SaturnFX

While I would not be one of those who will mourn the porn, I would say that this sets a dangerous precedent for our nations government and its people.

The government must never consider themselves fit to judge what we, the people, may and may not view and interact with. This could, if left to continue, left alone to become more commonplace, give rise to the government blocking content which shows the government in a bad light, as I am sure is happening in some of the worlds best known dictatorships. It is one thing living in an age where the media refuse to deal with the important matters of the day, but if even the slightest of this precedent continues to flourish in the minds of our governance, all information will be subject to censorship.

I for one am very concerned about that prospect.

Has anybody else the feeling that western governments, western "rulers", do everything to upset the people?
It feels like the want to create riots.
What they can do wrong, they do it. What they can do against the will of the people, they do it.
I mean, even the blindest idiot living in the ivory tower since birth can´t do so much mistakes.
It feels like chaos is wanted by the "rulers".
Maybe to install the "Brave New World" after any riots or civil wars?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: SaturnFX

While I would not be one of those who will mourn the porn, I would say that this sets a dangerous precedent for our nations government and its people.

The government must never consider themselves fit to judge what we, the people, may and may not view and interact with. This could, if left to continue, left alone to become more commonplace, give rise to the government blocking content which shows the government in a bad light, as I am sure is happening in some of the worlds best known dictatorships. It is one thing living in an age where the media refuse to deal with the important matters of the day, but if even the slightest of this precedent continues to flourish in the minds of our governance, all information will be subject to censorship.

I for one am very concerned about that prospect.

So a 12 year old can walk into an 'adult' shop today and walk out with an armload of heavy porn? No, they can't. If they could the proprietors would get shut down and probably arrested.

Are you also very concerned about that?

As others have said, this rolls around time after time and results in nothing.

a reply to: uncommitted

I am not concerned about that, because that is the job of parents to prevent, and there are ways that they can do that, including making sure that they are in the room when their children are accessing the internet, as they DAMNED WELL OUGHT TO BLOODY DO!

Keeping their kids out of the pub, the porn, the adult store, and the drug dens, is a parents job, no one else has any business doing it for them.

And if porn was all this nonsense was about, then it would not be so concerning as it is, but this is NOT just about porn, that is simply a red herring. This issue is ACTUALLY about freedom of access to information, and the government have just tested the waters, to see how reactionary we are, to see how switched on we are to the real threat, which is that systems like this, ISP end blocking of content, could potentially be used to prevent access to sites like Wikileaks, or even THIS website, if the government deem them a "threat".

I am not going to allow the wool to pass over my eyes on this subject, not in the least. Liberty has a cost, and I would rather pay it.

a reply to: uncommitted

Most if not all have an 18+ sign on the door and would kick out some 12 year old in a moment.

The problem will always come with defining what is porn, in the Victorian age a sight of a stocking was considered quite shocking as they say.

And it was funny that magazines aimed at men were rated 18 for their context (women in their knickers and knocker covers) but quite merrily a 13 year old girl could buy a copy of some womens mag (more was its name) and it would have position of the week and all sorts of tips for sexy time.

In Czarist Russia ALL news was considered secret, possibly under the communists too, if the government of the day, wants what ever it is, to happen, it will, like the fracking in the north of England, the local government said no, London said yes.
I'm waiting to see if the north of England gets Kansas style earthquakes.

originally posted by: Maxatoria
a reply to: uncommitted

Most if not all have an 18+ sign on the door and would kick out some 12 year old in a moment.

The problem will always come with defining what is porn, in the Victorian age a sight of a stocking was considered quite shocking as they say.

And it was funny that magazines aimed at men were rated 18 for their context (women in their knickers and knocker covers) but quite merrily a 13 year old girl could buy a copy of some womens mag (more was its name) and it would have position of the week and all sorts of tips for sexy time.

You've kind of proved my point with the 18+ sign above the door - and I'm sure that was your intention. As far as I'm aware, the mumsnet types are asking why the same isn't the case on the net. I can't say I'm overly bothered one way or another about this apart from people trying to make it about something it isn't.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: uncommitted

I am not concerned about that, because that is the job of parents to prevent, and there are ways that they can do that, including making sure that they are in the room when their children are accessing the internet, as they DAMNED WELL OUGHT TO BLOODY DO!

Keeping their kids out of the pub, the porn, the adult store, and the drug dens, is a parents job, no one else has any business doing it for them.

And if porn was all this nonsense was about, then it would not be so concerning as it is, but this is NOT just about porn, that is simply a red herring. This issue is ACTUALLY about freedom of access to information, and the government have just tested the waters, to see how reactionary we are, to see how switched on we are to the real threat, which is that systems like this, ISP end blocking of content, could potentially be used to prevent access to sites like Wikileaks, or even THIS website, if the government deem them a "threat".

I am not going to allow the wool to pass over my eyes on this subject, not in the least. Liberty has a cost, and I would rather pay it.

You are making the kids & porn things a red herring. That doesn't in and of itself make it one.

And if porn was all this nonsense was about, then it would not be so concerning as it is, but this is NOT just about porn, that is simply a red herring. This issue is ACTUALLY about freedom of access to information, and the government have just tested the waters, to see how reactionary we are, to see how switched on we are to the real threat, which is that systems like this, ISP end blocking of content, could potentially be used to prevent access to sites like Wikileaks, or even THIS website, if the government deem them a "threat".

That pretty much sums it all up. Couldn't have said it better.



This does not look good at all...

Oh, I see.. so a lot of people will start doing amateur films and share them between themselves, more home business than before, I will buy it!!

Follow the money. All laws a schemes to get you to pay more for what you already have. You will have porn access, you just will have to pay more for it than now. Free porn probably saves many young people on edge or drunk or drugged from rapes and such.

Wait and see, I bet the rape rates go up.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Or they are just lost in their offices and need a slap in the face from us the people living the real life. They are lost, plain and simple.

They voted for parliament to be Liberal, lgbt, and ruled by liberal Muslims. This is the consequence. Minorities get out to take over the UK and destructive to all. This was guided by Obama regime for world domination.

Us Brits will just have to go back to finding Porno Mags in bushes like the good old days :-)

originally posted by: Freeyourchains
They voted for parliament to be Liberal, lgbt, and ruled by liberal Muslims. This is the consequence. Minorities get out to take over the UK and destructive to all. This was guided by Obama regime for world domination.

Errrrrr, the UK has a conservative Government, full of self serving toffs, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about

originally posted by: Freeyourchains
They voted for parliament to be Liberal, lgbt,

If that was true, they would be going the opposite way.
for now at least, liberals still are all about the porn and perversions...give it a few more years though, the anti-sex puritans are becoming stronger (they are called "pro"gressives)

This is a old school anti-porn group that is being propped up as the useful idiots they are by those who have been wanting to clamp down on the net anyhow...and that you will find is neither left nor right, but more a corporate thing.

originally posted by: uncommitted
You've kind of proved my point with the 18+ sign above the door - and I'm sure that was your intention. As far as I'm aware, the mumsnet types are asking why the same isn't the case on the net. I can't say I'm overly bothered one way or another about this apart from people trying to make it about something it isn't.

I think you are missing the bigger point.

Twitter has tons of porn on it..tons...just a heaping amount. all social media does.

will twitter then be considered an adult site?

I want you to consider that for a bit. if yes, then that means no british citizen will be able to be on twitter anonymously because they will be required to do whatever it takes to identify they aren't a child at minimum...this leaves a paper trail

What does that mean? it means then that...let me stress this again, no british citizen will be able to be on twitter anonymously...there is a paper trail. no saying unpopular things without it being aimed right back at you. no saying "this government is #e, they should be bombed", no organizing protests or anything.

clamped
the
eff
down!

but hey..for the children, amirite.

twitter, facebook, tumblr, etc. all the social media sites will have this dilemma for them because anywhere that people can go and chat real time, is a place where porn can be traded.

One last time

No british citizen will be allowed on these sites anonymously.