Women shouldn't be allowed abortion

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
ABORTION IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
PREGNACY IS.

This is not about having porno theaters in your neighborhood.
No one has abortions for fun.
You need to stop it at its source.
Stop unwanted pregnancy and you stop abortion.

Education helps but people are going to copulate. The morning after pill should be available without prescription. 7 billion people on the planet is enough and people should only have wanted pregnacies.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I was circumcised and had no say in the matter. The reasons why are beyond me but to compare a possible human being to the excess skin on my d|ck is a bit of a stretch.

You don't need to be religious to find abortion abhorrent and to view it as one of the vilest forms of murder under the sun. It's justified by claiming an unborn child isn't really a human being, when it's convenient.

But, by employing some legal smoke and mirrors, that same "entity" is a human being if someone besides the mother causes it's death.

The legalization of abortion is nothing but legal chicanery.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: VP740
a reply to: eNumbra


I actually agree with that; Which is why I don't think someone else should make a life and death decision for the unborn; certainly not after they made the decision to allow that new life into their womb to begin with.

Birth control isn't 100% effective, so by definition that life wasn't wanted, so what you're arguing is that people should never have sex or else they have to raise the child.

More children die of poverty than abortion. But most pro-lifers don't care about poverty.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: omniEther
Civil rights are violated when people are deprived of their basic rights in a discriminatory fashion. Unborn children are deprived of life which is the most basic right of all simply based on their location their mother’s womb and their developmental status. This is discriminatory, inhuman, and cruel.

You simply can't ignore there is a living woman on the other end of the umbilical cord who also has rights.

My opinion is that those rights were suspended the moment the woman chose to have sex.

I've never understood why it's a more attractive proposition for women to have an abortion than to put the child up for adoption.

You would not take that position if this was a men's issue. What if you were being forced to be circumcised because Jews control the Federal Reserve and wanted all men not to have foreskin. And not only that, going through the procedure was potentially life threatening the way they did it. You would be pretty angry about someone chopping up your member.

Also, if men were able to become pregnant, I would assume billions in research would go toward the manufacture of an easy kit to abort that could be used at home, at any time during the pregnancy with side effects not lasting longer than one;s lunch hour.

a reply to: eNumbra

More or less. Actions have consequences, and people should be responsible for their actions. There are ways to reduce or eliminate the possibility of unwanted pregnancies, and there are forms of sex that won't lead to pregnancy.

Do you think the child deserves any rights or consideration at all? Do you think the parents who created the child have any responsibility for it at all?

originally posted by: corvuscorrax
a reply to: dfnj2015

I was circumcised and had no say in the matter. The reasons why are beyond me but to compare a possible human being to the excess skin on my d|ck is a bit of a stretch.

Nice pun. But I was trying to make the point about personal sovereignty and not allowing BIG government to decide how one's body is to be used.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: VP740
a reply to: eNumbra


I actually agree with that; Which is why I don't think someone else should make a life and death decision for the unborn; certainly not after they made the decision to allow that new life into their womb to begin with.

Birth control isn't 100% effective, so by definition that life wasn't wanted, so what you're arguing is that people should never have sex or else they have to raise the child.

More children die of poverty than abortion. But most pro-lifers don't care about poverty.

I'm aware of this, but most people will simply ignore you pointing out their selective outrage.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

But most pro-lifers don't care about poverty.

Gonna need a source on that one. Facts and statistics, ya know?

originally posted by: VP740
a reply to: eNumbra
Do you think the child deserves any rights or consideration at all?
no

Do you think the parents who created the child have any responsibility for it at all?

Yes, that's why they can choose to keep it or abort it.

originally posted by: eNumbra

Yes, that's why they can choose to keep it or abort it.

Why not adoption?

Ugh... Im going to be crude and its no fun to be crude when I cant see a persons face when I say things


Okay, #1 there is more to sex than the act of intercourse.. a LOT more, if you havent heard
#2 close to 80% of women have trouble with or do not have orgasm with intercourse.. look it up
#3 you can get pregnant with intercourse.. obvious

So it sort of makes me wonder what women are really getting out of quickies and partners who dont get them off.. usually an unwanted pregnancy I suppose. If women were more in touch with their own sexuality and men were forced to treat the woman as the sexual object she is at that moment and not a sperm dumpster.. we probably would have a lot less unwanted babies and abortions. It will never be any different in a Western society that demands women give into a mans sexual demands and normalizes a pump and dump. If people want to know WHY there are abortion clinics.. look at yourselves for that answer.. ideologies of the patriarchal persuasion.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: corvuscorrax
a reply to: dfnj2015

I was circumcised and had no say in the matter. The reasons why are beyond me but to compare a possible human being to the excess skin on my d|ck is a bit of a stretch.

Nice pun. But I was trying to make the point about personal sovereignty and not allowing BIG government to decide how one's body is to be used.

Hey I actually believe in the right to choose. I also think that the choice not to have sex is an easier one but some people act like choosing not to pork is harder than choosing to terminate a pregnancy. It's those people that I don't understand and don't want to.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: omniEther
Civil rights are violated when people are deprived of their basic rights in a discriminatory fashion. Unborn children are deprived of life which is the most basic right of all simply based on their location their mother’s womb and their developmental status. This is discriminatory, inhuman, and cruel.

You simply can't ignore there is a living woman on the other end of the umbilical cord who also has rights.

My opinion is that those rights were suspended the moment the woman chose to have sex.

I've never understood why it's a more attractive proposition for women to have an abortion than to put the child up for adoption.

You would not take that position if this was a men's issue. What if you were being forced to be circumcised because Jews control the Federal Reserve and wanted all men not to have foreskin. And not only that, going through the procedure was potentially life threatening the way they did it. You would be pretty angry about someone chopping up your member.

Also, if men were able to become pregnant, I would assume billions in research would go toward the manufacture of an easy kit to abort that could be used at home, at any time during the pregnancy with side effects not lasting longer than one;s lunch hour.

There is no doubt you are right in your comment. I think over the last 20 years woman's health issues have gotten a little more attention.

I'm almost of the opinion at this point that the whole abortion issue should only be discussed and decided by women. I have no doubt in my mind how if this issue was somehow connected to man's manhood the men would be out of their minds stomping their chests with personal rights. It's really an amazing issue how divisive abortion. Both sides are right and wrong at the same time. It will never be decided.

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: eNumbra

Yes, that's why they can choose to keep it or abort it.

Why not adoption?

Why force someone to carry the child for 9 months?

There's tons of kids already in the foster system btw.

originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: corvuscorrax
a reply to: dfnj2015

I was circumcised and had no say in the matter. The reasons why are beyond me but to compare a possible human being to the excess skin on my d|ck is a bit of a stretch.

Nice pun. But I was trying to make the point about personal sovereignty and not allowing BIG government to decide how one's body is to be used.

Hey I actually believe in the right to choose. I also think that the choice not to have sex is an easier one but some people act like choosing not to pork is harder than choosing to terminate a pregnancy. It's those people that I don't understand and don't want to.

That is for God and not you and I to judge how people are.

originally posted by: eNumbra

Why force someone to carry the child for 9 months?

Because murder is bad?

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: eNumbra

Why force someone to carry the child for 9 months?

Because murder is bad?

Abortion isn't murder.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: corvuscorrax

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: omniEther
Civil rights are violated when people are deprived of their basic rights in a discriminatory fashion. Unborn children are deprived of life which is the most basic right of all simply based on their location their mother’s womb and their developmental status. This is discriminatory, inhuman, and cruel.

You simply can't ignore there is a living woman on the other end of the umbilical cord who also has rights.

My opinion is that those rights were suspended the moment the woman chose to have sex.

I've never understood why it's a more attractive proposition for women to have an abortion than to put the child up for adoption.

You would not take that position if this was a men's issue. What if you were being forced to be circumcised because Jews control the Federal Reserve and wanted all men not to have foreskin. And not only that, going through the procedure was potentially life threatening the way they did it. You would be pretty angry about someone chopping up your member.

Also, if men were able to become pregnant, I would assume billions in research would go toward the manufacture of an easy kit to abort that could be used at home, at any time during the pregnancy with side effects not lasting longer than one;s lunch hour.

I disagree with this. Some things need to be suffered and not easy. This is one of those things. I dont mean torture, but suffering for ones choices is noble .. plus it might enter someones mind to at the very least attempt to prevent it a second time. Ending a thing shouldnt be easy.

a reply to: eNumbra

Some see placing responsibility on people for their actions as morally superior to taking an innocent human life.