Trump said he plans to immediately deport 2 to 3 million criminal undocumented immigrants.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: olaru12
Thinking about publishing an on line newletter....."How to profit bigly during Tump/Pense"

It will be very, very, very, good believe me. I don't know, but people tell me that's what they want. It will be amazing, believe me, we're talkin huge profits...anyway that's what lots of people tell me.

Is this what we want? Tell me what you want, I'm very, very interested.

What has this got to do with deportation?

If you can profit then you won't have to hire cheap labor to increase your bottom line. More people to deport...believe me!!

I'm always at your service to provide relevant information to enhance the lifestyle of ALL Americans.

As long as the trend in the West moves to one of rounding up illegals and deporting them, the it's all good - better if it makes money.
Happy days for all.

I find it sad that we are at a point where people openly cheer at the thought of rounding-up people to ge them out of our country.

And all this time you were worried about the Liberal Brownshirts coming for you.

I can understand some tears for illegals who work hard and don't break the law, but criminals? No. I am certainly cheering that kind of common sense. It's long overdue.
Of course, it would be important to ensure the crimes are real - broken tail lights should not count.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
What I've yet to understand is how we are going to pay to get all of these people back to where they come from.

Only half of the illegals in this country are from Mexico. The rest are from South American countries, Asia or Africa.

Who foots the bill for those plane tickets?

It's a winner. Just think of all the fraudulent benefits claimed that will be saved for the price of a plane ride.

I should have been more specific. It going to cost more than just a plane ride. You have to find these people, detain them, give them due process and then ship them off to wherever they have to go.

Not sure fraudulent benefits claims are going to cover that dent.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
What I've yet to understand is how we are going to pay to get all of these people back to where they come from.

Only half of the illegals in this country are from Mexico. The rest are from South American countries, Asia or Africa.

Who foots the bill for those plane tickets?

It's a winner. Just think of all the fraudulent benefits claimed that will be saved for the price of a plane ride.

I should have been more specific. It going to cost more than just a plane ride. You have to find these people, detain them, give them due process and then ship them off to wherever they have to go.

Not sure fraudulent benefits claims are going to cover that dent.

It will make a contribution though and perhaps pay for itself.
There is also the added benefit of falling crime rates.
It's all really just an acceleration of Obama's policy as pointed out, so I would have though all parties would be happy.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: olaru12
Thinking about publishing an on line newletter....."How to profit bigly during Tump/Pense"

It will be very, very, very, good believe me. I don't know, but people tell me that's what they want. It will be amazing, believe me, we're talkin huge profits...anyway that's what lots of people tell me.

Is this what we want? Tell me what you want, I'm very, very interested.

What has this got to do with deportation?

If you can profit then you won't have to hire cheap labor to increase your bottom line. More people to deport...believe me!!

I'm always at your service to provide relevant information to enhance the lifestyle of ALL Americans.

As long as the trend in the West moves to one of rounding up illegals and deporting them, the it's all good - better if it makes money.
Happy days for all.

I find it sad that we are at a point where people openly cheer at the thought of rounding-up people to ge them out of our country.

And all this time you were worried about the Liberal Brownshirts coming for you.

I can understand some tears for illegals who work hard and don't break the law, but criminals? No. I am certainly cheering that kind of common sense. It's long overdue.
Of course, it would be important to ensure the crimes are real - broken tail lights should not count.

How kind of you. But for the record you are still advocating for the hunting-down and expulsion of people within our society.

I understand that they are here illegally and may have committed crimes, but the principle behind what you're talking about is atrocious.

a reply to: Nyiah

it's a sure bet some spectacular tunnels will spring up & completely circumvent it.

Ground-based sonar has been in use for decades. All we need is a solar-power transceiver set up every few hundred yards with a little algorithm to detect tunnelling activity. Link them through wifi-based encrypted links to an alert center every few miles, and satellite-link those together. Cheap, self-contained, and effective.

Any new tunnelling operation would be pinpointed, tracked, and the diggers easily apprehended.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: olaru12
Thinking about publishing an on line newletter....."How to profit bigly during Tump/Pense"

It will be very, very, very, good believe me. I don't know, but people tell me that's what they want. It will be amazing, believe me, we're talkin huge profits...anyway that's what lots of people tell me.

Is this what we want? Tell me what you want, I'm very, very interested.

What has this got to do with deportation?

If you can profit then you won't have to hire cheap labor to increase your bottom line. More people to deport...believe me!!

I'm always at your service to provide relevant information to enhance the lifestyle of ALL Americans.

As long as the trend in the West moves to one of rounding up illegals and deporting them, the it's all good - better if it makes money.
Happy days for all.

I find it sad that we are at a point where people openly cheer at the thought of rounding-up people to ge them out of our country.

And all this time you were worried about the Liberal Brownshirts coming for you.

I can understand some tears for illegals who work hard and don't break the law, but criminals? No. I am certainly cheering that kind of common sense. It's long overdue.
Of course, it would be important to ensure the crimes are real - broken tail lights should not count.

How kind of you. But for the record you are still advocating for the hunting-down and expulsion of people within our society.

I understand that they are here illegally and may have committed crimes, but the principle behind what you're talking about is atrocious.

It's been done during Obama's 1st term especially (at record levels) and Bush was pretty harsh on this too. This is nothing new. It just looks like there will be more deported.
Are you advocating no enforcement on illegal immigration?
We're talking criminals here too, not all illegal immigrants. Police round up people (citizens) in society too if they commit crime.

a reply to: introvert

They already deport people, a system already exist. Weighing short term and long term cost is the thing. Can be paid for will all that money we will no longer be giving to syrian rebels and the ME countries who are supporting ISIS. Or the money saved from getting our troops out of countries who do not respect or pay us to be there to protect them.

I have never seen non-republicans so concerned with the cost of government in my life. The wall, deportation. This is hilarious, finally non-republicans want to be fiscal conservatives.

a reply to: UKTruth

It will make a contribution though and perhaps pay for itself.

Do you have some numbers to compare?

There is also the added benefit of falling crime rates.

A potential great cost for a statistically-insignificant reward. Immigrants have a lower crime rate than that of native-born citizens.

www.washingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

It will make a contribution though and perhaps pay for itself.

Do you have some numbers to compare?

There is also the added benefit of falling crime rates.

A potential great cost for a statistically-insignificant reward. Immigrants have a lower crime rate than that of native-born citizens.

www.washingtonpost.com...

Firstly, I am not reading a WaPo link. I may as well go to The Onion.
Secondly, you need to compare a lifetime of fraudulent benefits and the cost saving from the reduced inflow of illegal immigrants who will get the message that the free ride is over. So I am confident each years activity of deportations will pay for itself in the long term.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Nyiah

it's a sure bet some spectacular tunnels will spring up & completely circumvent it.

Ground-based sonar has been in use for decades. All we need is a solar-power transceiver set up every few hundred yards with a little algorithm to detect tunnelling activity. Link them through wifi-based encrypted links to an alert center every few miles, and satellite-link those together. Cheap, self-contained, and effective.

Any new tunnelling operation would be pinpointed, tracked, and the diggers easily apprehended.

TheRedneck

That's a good idea. I've already started investing in surveillance styled mfg. and maintenance start ups... Should be yuggge!! Thinking about a consulting sub to watch the monitor pics. Or at least a training op.

We got a good paranoid culture started....might as well make a few bucks.

a reply to: UKTruth

You assume I agree with Obama's position.

Are you advocating no enforcement on illegal immigration?

No. I think we need to keep-up on illegal immigration. What we do not need to do is immediately deport millions of people.

a reply to: jellyrev

I'm a socialist and I'm even concerned about the cost of government. We spend too much on things we don't need and not enough on the things we do.

As soon as the "Sanctuary City" becomes illegal, the police will have the authority to pick 'em up and send 'em to ICE.

Wait for the protests in those places.

a reply to: UKTruth

Firstly, I am not reading a WaPo link. I may as well go to The Onion.

The information is actually from a Pew Research study. I know if it was posted with a Breitbart link you would read it. And they are very close to being the Onion.

Secondly, you need to compare a lifetime of fraudulent benefits and the cost saving from the reduced inflow of illegal immigrants who will get the message that the free ride is over. So I am confident each years activity of deportations will pay for itself in the long term.

I'd like to see that breakdown in numbers, if you could.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

Firstly, I am not reading a WaPo link. I may as well go to The Onion.

The information is actually from a Pew Research study. I know if it was posted with a Breitbart link you would read it. And they are very close to being the Onion.

Secondly, you need to compare a lifetime of fraudulent benefits and the cost saving from the reduced inflow of illegal immigrants who will get the message that the free ride is over. So I am confident each years activity of deportations will pay for itself in the long term.

I'd like to see that breakdown in numbers, if you could.

I just read it. It's irrelevant to the discussion as we're talking about criminals specifically , not criminal rates within the illegal population. I knew WaPo would waste my time again.

Numbers will be known once the round up begins. You asked where the money is coming from, I have just given you a guide.
20-30+ years of benefits per case vs. the cost of finding, and deporting. You model the maths.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

You assume I agree with Obama's position.

Are you advocating no enforcement on illegal immigration?

No. I think we need to keep-up on illegal immigration. What we do not need to do is immediately deport millions of people.

Your thought is exactly why there is a problem. You are basically saying that if you make it to land, you get the reward. When it's clear there is no reward, the numbers will reduce and the cost of enforcement will go down.

a reply to: olaru12

I'm really amazed no one else has mentioned it. All the technology is old, tested, and inexpensive. Plus, the comparison between finding a tunnel being dug and finding an oil or gas deposit is, to quote a phrase, YUUUUUGE. It would like using a metal detector for coins to find a buried automobile.

Simple.

TheRedneck

What on Earth is America going to do without nannies?

a reply to: UKTruth

I just read it. It's irrelevant to the discussion as we're talking about criminals specifically , not criminal rates within the illegal population.

Isn't the premise of this thread about deporting criminal illegal immigrants? Or are we deporting all criminals?

Numbers will be known once the round up begins.

Is that like "we have to pass it to see what's in it"?

20-30+ years of benefits per case vs. the cost of finding, and deporting. You model the maths.

You may see it as being that simple, but you also have to calculate the loss of economic activity from that group, the loss in tax revenue and so on.

This is a very complex issue and it's not as simple as booting them out immediately.

a reply to: UKTruth

Your thought is exactly why there is a problem. You are basically saying that if you make it to land, you get the reward.

That is not what I said. Read it again, if needed.

When it's clear there is no reward, the numbers will reduce and the cost of enforcement will go down.

Illegal immigration is already at net-zero. The cost of continued enforcement is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about mass deportation in the millions. If you believe what Trump says.