Donald Trump: I may not repeal Obamacare

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: proximo

The reason costs are so high is because the USA subsidizes the rest of the world's medical care.

The government-run health programs in places like France won't pay $10 for a Tylenol.

So, where does that drug company go to make up that lost profit?

You guessed it: America.

Low prices in other parts of the world translate into higher prices here in the USA -- where there are no regulations or price caps on how much these US-based big pharma companies can charge.

Big Pharma's shareholders expect a certain rate of return and profit margin. If France or Canada negotiates low prices, Big Pharma has to turn around and make up that profit someplace else.

What better place than a country with a huge GDP and private insurance industry?

That place?

The USA.

Yes that is true as far as drug costs and I totally agree that drug importation should be made legal to make costs nearly equal here as every where else, but that is just a small portion of the cost issues.

US costs are nearly double every other 1st world nations - and that is inexcusable.

For instance joint replacement - doctors have deals with manufacturers and pass on extremely overpriced implants to their patients just because they have a cozy relationship with the medical device salesperson.

The doctors don't care, they rationalize it as something that the insurance will pick up, and the medical device companies make a fortune. There is absolutely no way that would be happening if Competition existed.

a reply to: Kettu

I think Donald Trump is a fish out of water on the political stage. Based on Trump's reaction and his own words, I think he was delightfully surprised to find out that Obama was genuinely interested in Trump's transition and success, and was relieved when their meeting turn out NOT to be acrimonious. I think Trump gained a lot of insight and perspective from Obama that he wasn't expecting.

He also said that he would continue to consult with Obama. That's a good sign.

total b*ll*cks! ALREADY ! Proving a golf course president,
1. Where's the wall?
2. Hilary in jail?
3. Bombing Isis.
He had, like the rest of us, a great ideal, now in the back room , being told "look, this is what you think happens, this is what's happening... Shut your face, play golf, wel take care of Ur dodgy sh*t, carry on.well take it from here ."
With all the drama, I guarantee 6 mths from now U couldn't tell him from Obama.. Riots ll die, typical left/right convos will dominate the media, with nothing major changing... . BAU

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I don't understand the leftists here.

No one, and I mean no one wants to see people suffer.

You may think that not being a commie-alt-left-authoritarian is a bad thing, but we really are nice people.

I don't really care how it's done or who's name is slapped on it. We need a better healthcare system.

I'm simply amused at how the same message from a different person is received.

Just you watch, Trump will somehow sell the idea of a single-payer to the conservatives of America, and they'll cheer and herald the event as a triumph of Republican superiority (or some political nonsense).

Meanwhile, I'm sitting here eating my soup and shaking my head. People really are that impressionable and easily lead.

Perhaps that is what the globalists knew all along -- get the ball rolling with Obama, and have someone like Trump come in to complete the single-payer system. This way the liberals an claim they got it started, and the conservatives can claim they "fixed it".

It brings both sides into the fold.

originally posted by: Midnite247
total b*ll*cks! ALREADY ! Proving a golf course president,
1. Where's the wall?
2. Hilary in jail?
3. Bombing Isis.
He had, like the rest of us, a great ideal, now in the back room , being told "look, this is what you think happens, this is what's happening... Shut your face, play golf, wel take care of Ur dodgy sh*t, carry on.well take it from here ."
With all the drama, I guarantee 6 mths from now U couldn't tell him from Obama.. Riots ll die, typical left/right convos will dominate the media, with nothing major changing... . BAU

The bottle is ready, time for bed. The adults are talking.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: proximo
Those are positive actions. But this mandatory tax for just existing does nothing for me. I don't get healthcare for paying this tax on my existence. Either I am forced to pay ridiculous higher premiums under the current system for # coverage, or I still pay a ridiculous high tax for having no health coverage and get nothing in return, ergo a tax on existence.

I said I agree with you. People should not be forced to buy health insurance - it is unconstitutional.

But price of coverage is the real issue - the issue that will destroy our whole economy - if your premiums were half of what they are - which they should be - you would not care nearly as much about the forced coverage.

originally posted by: Kettu

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I don't understand the leftists here.

No one, and I mean no one wants to see people suffer.

You may think that not being a commie-alt-left-authoritarian is a bad thing, but we really are nice people.

I don't really care how it's done or who's name is slapped on it. We need a better healthcare system.

I'm simply amused at how the same message from a different person is received.

Just you watch, Trump will somehow sell the idea of a single-payer to the conservatives of America, and they'll cheer and herald the event as a triumph of Republican superiority (or some political nonsense).

Meanwhile, I'm sitting here eating my soup and shaking my head. People really are that impressionable and easily lead.

Perhaps that is what the globalists knew all along -- get the ball rolling with Obama, and have someone like Trump come in to complete the single-payer system. This way the liberals an claim they got it started, and the conservatives can claim they "fixed it".

It brings both sides into the fold.

I disagree. While both candidates spoke of reforming/repealing Obamacare, I felt only one would really do it.

a reply to: Kettu

I agree. As long as it's fixed and they don't take forever to fix it I'm 100% behind Donald Trump still.

you just have to be patient until he is actually sworn in and in office. Right now all he can do is get his ducks in a row and he is doing just that.

anything that interferes with his agenda will go away.

right now is time for preparation and patience for Obama and his corrupt cronies to get out of the way.

originally posted by: CrapAsUsual
a reply to: Kettu

You americans should really think about a National Healthcare System, a great way to create social cohesion and of course, a decent life to everyone.

Agreed, mentioned that a while ago, and it doesn't interfere with personal freedom, people are still free to make life choices as they wish.

You think I'm wrong?
You think in 6 mths it won't be bau? I actually supported trump, but I now don't beliebe any things going to change, that's all I'm saying, if u think I'm wrong state what will change rather than slap downs.
a reply to: In4ormant

Next....sorry no wall either. To expensive, the Mexicans won't do it... so gullible!!!!

Trump is having his come to jesus meeting with the neoconservative lol

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: CrapAsUsual
a reply to: Kettu

You americans should really think about a National Healthcare System, a great way to create social cohesion and of course, a decent life to everyone.

Agreed, mentioned that a while ago, and it doesn't interfere with personal freedom, people are still free to make life choices as they wish.

B-b-but, Socialism!

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: smurfy


He will still be getting rid of the "obamacare" aspect of the ACA even if it retains the name ACA.

Oh yes I forgot, Goldman Sachs still demands Trump must brand everything with the Trump name.

a reply to: olaru12

No wall? has he said this?.

Totally agree! None of this was ever gonna happen realistically, of course not. My issue is HES never going to be held accountable to any of this.. Hence the BAU. No difference in saying im gonna build a wall.. Im gonna clean these streets, im gonna provide health care.. It's all bs, just different degrees of bs... Know your audience. He could've just as easily said "im GoIn to open a unicorn zoo" .. Say it strong, say it loud.. Ppl will buy it. a reply to: olaru12

originally posted by: Midnite247

You think I'm wrong?
You think in 6 mths it won't be bau? I actually supported trump, but I now don't beliebe any things going to change, that's all I'm saying, if u think I'm wrong state what will change rather than slap downs.
a reply to: In4ormant

You want to have a discussion now instead of spewing a rant? Ok. He hasn't even taken office yet and he is showing a willingness to be reasonable with things we need to be reasonable on. Dump Obamacare and make a rule for insurance companies that allow pre-existing conditions and longer coverage for kids. He can do both. They arent mutually exclusive things. That's a change.

Sounds good to me on both counts.

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Midnite247

You think I'm wrong?
You think in 6 mths it won't be bau? I actually supported trump, but I now don't beliebe any things going to change, that's all I'm saying, if u think I'm wrong state what will change rather than slap downs.
a reply to: In4ormant

You want to have a discussion now instead of spewing a rant? Ok. He hasn't even taken office yet and he is showing a willingness to be reasonable on things we need to be reasonable on. Dump Obamacare and make a rule for insurance companies that allow pre-existing conditions and longer coverage for kids. He can do both. They arent mutually exclusive things. That's a change.

Sounds good to me on both counts.

That's the thing. Obamacare is so ingrained it can't be dumped. It'll just be rebranded by Trump and sold to you as something else.

What's one of the main rules in business when a products reputation goes to crap? Change the name.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Midnite247

You think I'm wrong?
You think in 6 mths it won't be bau? I actually supported trump, but I now don't beliebe any things going to change, that's all I'm saying, if u think I'm wrong state what will change rather than slap downs.
a reply to: In4ormant

You want to have a discussion now instead of spewing a rant? Ok. He hasn't even taken office yet and he is showing a willingness to be reasonable on things we need to be reasonable on. Dump Obamacare and make a rule for insurance companies that allow pre-existing conditions and longer coverage for kids. He can do both. They arent mutually exclusive things. That's a change.

Sounds good to me on both counts.

That's the thing. Obamacare is so ingrained it can't be dumped. It'll just be rebranded by Trump and sold to you as something else.

What's one of the main rules in business when a products reputation goes to crap? Change the name.

We have lived 99.9% of our adult lives without Obamacare.

Maybe I'm the only one with optimism. I'll take it and my glass of wine.

Fair play.. Your. Hopes/analysis. Sound good on all points.. Its naive on my part but I was expecting/hoping after the rhetoric, that when he won he would come straight out with it. He ran the campaign on a "look folks im not beholding to any of these, im one of you" .. So I was "hoping" on announcement he would keep it GoIn " I won it, Im indicting Hilary, these usual suspects are gone, and 4/5/6 other things he was looking to do.. Instead we get what? Congrats to Hilary, conciliatory meetings with Obama? Potential cabinet based on the usual insiders.. He has displayed nothing that a typical insider wouldn't display.
I get HES not in there yet so yes it's a preemptive rant.. , and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, But still... U get where I'm coming from. a reply to: In4ormant