Cal-Exit: Brexit style break at our doorstep?

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Trump was elected by the method established by law, in the same way that American elections are normally held.
The popular vote has no relevance whatever, because your electoral laws do not work on that basis.

Crybaby? I an a non-American, an outside observer. The word "crybaby" is normally used by mothers about a child who is throwing an angry tantrum because he does not get what he wants. Who, in this situation, is adopting comparable behaviour?

a reply to: Cygnis

Most of us in Calif,are tired of hearing how they envy us,glad this is being discussed,yes to the California Republic,anyway the New Madrid will destroy majority of the mid west,that will happen anyday,San Andreas just moves side to side,no chance of breaking off thats a little Iowans tale,New Madrid? thats a fact,I just wish they would send Hollywood type to the east coast we are tired of them,let them mess your town up for a while

Texas has been threatening to secede every few years ever since it became a state.

It never goes anywhere.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Cygnis

I don't care what you think about Liberals or California either.

I'm just in awe of the double standard being applied here.

I mean it was just in the past couple of years that Conservatives were cheering the idea of leaving the union for multiple reasons.

But now that some liberals say the same thing you act like they invented the idea. It's just hypocritical and lame partisan finger pointing BS.

Oh yeah. But were really expecting different? I mean, just watch this thread. Watch the responses. The complete lack of logic and their inability to smell the ironic stink of their own fecal tirades will be lost on them, but for the outside observer, it will become clear why the people people out here want and need to break away from these knuckle dragging psychopaths before they actually drag us down with them. I mean, if the rest of the country wants to regress to the outhouse, then by all means, let them. We, however, like internal plumbing and intend to keep our internal plumbing and sanitation.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Trump was elected by the method established by law, in the same way that American elections are normally held.
The popular vote has no relevance whatever, because your electoral laws do not work on that basis.

Crybaby? I an a non-American, an outside observer. The word "crybaby" is normally used by mothers about a child who is throwing an angry tantrum because he does not get what he wants. Who, in this situation, is adopting comparable behaviour?

Established by law does not equal democratic. But I think you are not getting this, and that's fine.

You actually pointed out one of many reasons the idea of secession is not only necessary, but a popular idea out here. And one that pre-dates this election, and one that transcends whatever party is running congress and the white house. The reasons we have been wanting out are similar to the reasons the Brexit occurred. The federal government has been our E.U., except more controlling and aggressive and far more dangerous in numerous ways.

So while the two situations are not a tit for tat match, they follow very similar parallels in a number of ways.

I am hardly "crying". Far from it. For the first time since this nightmare of an election began, I actually have hope. Like I said, this is something I've been hoping would happen since Bill Clinton, and I seriously never thought I'd see the day people are talking about it seriously. And believe me, Trump and his Gestapo are just going to hand us reasons wrapped in gift boxes as his presidency progresses, and I might actually see my dream come true.

So seriously, I'm not crying. I'm sorry my joy at this prospect was not properly conveyed to you. I wasn't crying. I actually see hope and change for the first time in my life.

Well, let's see here... the South tried that exact thing back in the 1860s. So I see no reason that California shouldn't have the same right we did. Go ahead and secede.

In response, we'll declare war, send in an occupying army, burn your cities to the ground, kill you citizens, and then, after you surrender, we'll send in the bankers to take your homes. When that is over, the rest of the country will ridicule you, write everything you love about Callifornia's history out of the history books, and destroy everything you hold dear. We'll even make your state flag into a symbol of hate.

Should be a breeze. The South fought back; I'm willing to bet California will line up in protest, shout silly slogans, and cry a lot.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
Go ahead and secede.

Is this 'it's not traitorous when WE do it'? Got my carpetbag all packed and ready to go. It'll be festive.

a reply to: Bedlam

Wanna carpool?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: Cygnis

Most of us in Calif,are tired of hearing how they envy us,glad this is being discussed,yes to the California Republic,anyway the New Madrid will destroy majority of the mid west,that will happen anyday,San Andreas just moves side to side,no chance of breaking off thats a little Iowans tale,New Madrid? thats a fact,I just wish they would send Hollywood type to the east coast we are tired of them,let them mess your town up for a while

Totally agreed on Hollyweird. But then again, the majority of it's denizens are transplants from elsewhere, so maybe secession might take care of the population, and once they are gone, you can convert and cordon off the town into a mental hospital for the new country.

Up here in Washington, even some of my friends who are football fans who would normally be carrying on the usual Hawks-Niners rivalry have called a truce for the usual # talking that goes on in salute to Cali. We've been going in the same direction, too.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Bedlam

Wanna carpool?

TheRedneck

Hey, being a Reconstructionist paid well last time. I figure it'll be the same this time around. I want the Monterey area.

"You got a nice beach front house here, shame if I found you were a Rebel collaborator...pay me enough and I'll put you down as a Unionist. Otherwise I confiscate it and kick your ass to the curb, Babs"

a reply to: Bedlam

Not sure what part I like... so much to choose from. I think I'll take a drive up the coast to see what's available.

Don't forget the best part: after we take everything they have, we can hire them to work for pennies as servants. They're just 'bluenecks' anyway.

I figure since 'redneck' is taken, we'll call them that. What do you think?

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Now fast forward to 2016 where the U.S. is a vastly different country, the issues at play are very different from those of 1860.

The questions of secession now are not the same ones in 1860. Nor are the reasons.

The federal government would certainly try and move in and attempt to quash it, and then you have the outbreak of civil war. The problem is, unlike 1860, the rest of the world wouldn't be so keen to just sit back and let us duke it out. Nope. Because unlike in 1860, we have an arsenal of world destruction in every state, so the rest of the world isn't going to just hope we do the right thing. Hell no. The past 25 years, the U.S. has proved it is more interested in doing whatever the hell it wants, and really is not concerned with the consequences. Thus, the rest of the world will get involved, one way or another. And probably end up forcing a Soviet style break up.

No one said divorce was easy, and it sure can be messy, but damn, when it's done and over, it's worth it.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Oh and the the New Cali's get to work together Share cropping for 50 years after?

What a hoot.

originally posted by: Floridagoat
a reply to: TheRedneck

Oh and the the New Cali's get to work together Share cropping for 50 years after?

What a hoot.

Well, after they're stripped of all their assets it'll take more than a century for them to recover, if then.

originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Because unlike in 1860, we have an arsenal of world destruction in every state, so the rest of the world isn't going to just hope we do the right thing.

Piffle. The arsenals of world destruction are Federal. We'll be mowing down the locals like scything wheat. In fact, the first attack of a local bunch on a Federal installation, we'll call it 'the new Fort Sumter' and it'll be our excuse for the war.

Worked last time, like a boss. We'll call it 'the war to save the Union'. Just like last time, until the re-election.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

The South seceded because of state's rights.

California wants to secede because it didn't like the election results.

The south fought being taxed by the north while receiving nothing in return from the north while the South got more money in trading overseas yet the north wouldn't even pay half of that per bale of cotton.

WTF has Californians lost?

Exactly petulant little kids now grown up casting their delusional reality onto other's in hopes of some odd change for them.

If you wanna draw comparisons please use some facts because you only make yourself look cheap by trying to relate two drastically different things to one another in hope of drawing parallels.
One state calling for succession does not equate to 13 states banding together for states rights.

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Yeah, grab that high ground! California is special!

Haha haha, right.... been there... seen it.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Floridagoat

Oh, we might allow that. Of course, they'll have to actually work for a change. Not our problem; we'll just follow the law. Mwa-Haha!

TheRedneck

a reply to: Cygnis

Another thing,if you pull Californias trillion dollar economy for the pool,the US wouldn't be able to generate any tax money,only help would be Texas,and if they exited,you would have a bunch of under producing states,Calif and Texas would be like Kuwait,rest of US more like the middle east,then the country folk can go back to pioneer days,won't have much of a choice

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
a reply to: Cygnis

Another thing,if you pull Californias trillion dollar economy for the pool,the US wouldn't be able to generate any tax money...

Pfft. The same was true with the South in the early 1860's - they were generating over 90% of the nation's tax income.

All you have to do is nationalize their assets and take over the businesses, give control over from the secessionist traitors to the Reconstruction leaders. I volunteer to be CEO of several tech companies in the new era as their Reconstruction agent. Just call me "Tom the Carpetbagger"