Calm Down, the Winner Probably Lost...

This election provided a very interesting dynamic..


The democrats nominated arguably the farthest right democrat. A life long war hawk and corporate hack.



And


The republicans nominated undeniably the farthest left republican. A life long democrat with a load of libertarian and socialist policies.

And contrary to popular belief no president wants to do a bad job and leave a tarnished legacy.

This is one of the few times narcissism and ego comes in handy...

The one factor that changes things. Is that Hillary Clinton does not have a strangle hold on the DNC.

Donald Trump does have a strangle hold on the RNC.

I am convinced that is why he publicly executed Ted Cruz at the RNC..that coupled with Ted having to bend the knee and kiss the ring after, being shunned by the big donors and some of his district voters, Has ensured that any republican opposition he faces knows exactly what will happen if they buck him......

This was the death of the social issue oriented conservative evangelical movement.

No one thinks trump will go after abortion...

Trump has said he is pro gay marriage and trans bathrooms.

Trump has said he would lose the election but we needed single payer..

Trump has promised not to touch entitlements.

Trump has spoken out both for and against police shootings.

Trump is pro Russia, so ain't no nuclear war jumping off there..(he could piss off china though..)

Trump wants to increase import taxes incentivizing more jobs here..

He wants to do a bagillion dollar spending package..


Trump will care about 1 thing and that is not being remembered historically as a jack @$$.

He will not be cutting anything and will make as many "big government " moves as possible to ensure his name is on EVERYTHING!


He will trade every liberal position available in exchange for building the "Trump Wall" ...his monument like the Roman emporers of old!

And the democrats will help him do it.

So in the end..at least judging by the way each base has claimed to feel on the various issues for the last few decades, I think no matter who one the opposing base was going to lose...

When Donald trump wants to raise the min wage no republican will stand against him..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

His VP expressly stated that Trump and Co. will be looking to roll back a whole heap of LGBT protections, amongst other social policies which came about under the Obama presidency.

I am confused as to how you can state one thing, and the VP another, without one of you being wrong.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JoshuaCox

His VP expressly stated that Trump and Co. will be looking to roll back a whole heap of LGBT protections, amongst other social policies which came about under the Obama presidency.

I am confused as to how you can state one thing, and the VP another, without one of you being wrong.

He also said reversing Roe V. Wade would be "automatic" given his SCOTUS selections.

And am also confused as to how anybody can say he has a "strangle hold" on the GOP or RNC. Senators and Congressmen have never had any problem distancing themselves from an unpopular President before, not sure why they would now?

If he's popular and has good ideas, no stranglehold is needed. If he's not, then what's to stop people from pushing him to arm's length?

The Christian/Catholic radio shows are all buzzing this morning. They believe Trumps win will be the perfect opportunity to repeal Roe V. Wade.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Yes, he's actually very centrist when it comes to his ideology (that he has shown over the years, not the pandering that happens during an election). This will hopefully be something good for the country, and hopefully there will be quite a few libertarian-leaning ideas that come to fruition during his presidency.

But that said, as with most politicians, we can't take what they say--or even what they do--as any indicator as what they will do in the future. We will all just have to strap in, grab hands, and hold on for the ride.

originally posted by: introvert
The Christian/Catholic radio shows are all buzzing this morning. They believe Trumps win will be the perfect opportunity to repeal Roe V. Wade.

Roe vs. Wade can't be repealed. The only way to change it is if SCOTUS renders a ruling that changes the original ruling or a constitutional amendment. Either way with the current make up of the court I dont see it changing anytime soon.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JoshuaCox

His VP expressly stated that Trump and Co. will be looking to roll back a whole heap of LGBT protections, amongst other social policies which came about under the Obama presidency.

I am confused as to how you can state one thing, and the VP another, without one of you being wrong.

Do you think trump cares what pence thinks??


He said himself " anyone can use whatever bathroom they want at a trump hotel!"

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JoshuaCox

His VP expressly stated that Trump and Co. will be looking to roll back a whole heap of LGBT protections, amongst other social policies which came about under the Obama presidency.

I am confused as to how you can state one thing, and the VP another, without one of you being wrong.

He also said reversing Roe V. Wade would be "automatic" given his SCOTUS selections.

And am also confused as to how anybody can say he has a "strangle hold" on the GOP or RNC. Senators and Congressmen have never had any problem distancing themselves from an unpopular President before, not sure why they would now?

If he's popular and has good ideas, no stranglehold is needed. If he's not, then what's to stop people from pushing him to arm's length?

Because he assainated Cruz they are terrified.

I don't think he nominates conservative judges..I think conservatism just died.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Yes, he's actually very centrist when it comes to his ideology (that he has shown over the years, not the pandering that happens during an election). This will hopefully be something good for the country, and hopefully there will be quite a few libertarian-leaning ideas that come to fruition during his presidency.

But that said, as with most politicians, we can't take what they say--or even what they do--as any indicator as what they will do in the future. We will all just have to strap in, grab hands, and hold on for the ride.

Absolutely I'm just guessing because he has said both.. I'm just assuming 64 years as a dem means that's what he really thinks.

I want to see his cabinet ,I can't really TELL about what we will see without that information.
Campaign is over WE bought the product on HIS guarantee.
I know it's hard but wait before you get the ass.
I am QUITE sure he will have more than a few issues we will BOTH hate, if not the same ones.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: introvert
The Christian/Catholic radio shows are all buzzing this morning. They believe Trumps win will be the perfect opportunity to repeal Roe V. Wade.

Roe vs. Wade can't be repealed. The only way to change it is if SCOTUS renders a ruling that changes the original ruling or a constitutional amendment. Either way with the current make up of the court I dont see it changing anytime soon.

I understand the process. It still remains that the Right Wing Christians see Trump's win as an opportunity to attack Roe V. Wade.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JoshuaCox

His VP expressly stated that Trump and Co. will be looking to roll back a whole heap of LGBT protections, amongst other social policies which came about under the Obama presidency.

I am confused as to how you can state one thing, and the VP another, without one of you being wrong.

He also said reversing Roe V. Wade would be "automatic" given his SCOTUS selections.

And am also confused as to how anybody can say he has a "strangle hold" on the GOP or RNC. Senators and Congressmen have never had any problem distancing themselves from an unpopular President before, not sure why they would now?

If he's popular and has good ideas, no stranglehold is needed. If he's not, then what's to stop people from pushing him to arm's length?

Because he assainated Cruz they are terrified.

I don't think he nominates conservative judges..I think conservatism just died.

I find it funny that you think they're terrified of him. All the more so that you think they're so terrified they'll go along with him because they're so afraid.

Keep in mind that trying to spin this as he'll somehow introduce all this liberal agenda stuff still runs into the problem of the GOP controls Congress, both houses. I know you're trying to paint this as Trump will effectively be a dictator without having to actually say it, but that's a bit of a reach.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JoshuaCox

His VP expressly stated that Trump and Co. will be looking to roll back a whole heap of LGBT protections, amongst other social policies which came about under the Obama presidency.

I am confused as to how you can state one thing, and the VP another, without one of you being wrong.

He also said reversing Roe V. Wade would be "automatic" given his SCOTUS selections.

And am also confused as to how anybody can say he has a "strangle hold" on the GOP or RNC. Senators and Congressmen have never had any problem distancing themselves from an unpopular President before, not sure why they would now?

If he's popular and has good ideas, no stranglehold is needed. If he's not, then what's to stop people from pushing him to arm's length?

Because he assainated Cruz they are terrified.

I don't think he nominates conservative judges..I think conservatism just died.

I find it funny that you think they're terrified of him. All the more so that you think they're so terrified they'll go along with him because they're so afraid.

Keep in mind that trying to spin this as he'll somehow introduce all this liberal agenda stuff still runs into the problem of the GOP controls Congress, both houses. I know you're trying to paint this as Trump will effectively be a dictator without having to actually say it, but that's a bit of a reach.

A GOP that is terrified of trump and has totally taken over their party...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
I want to see his cabinet ,I can't really TELL about what we will see without that information.
Campaign is over WE bought the product on HIS guarantee.
I know it's hard but wait before you get the ass.
I am QUITE sure he will have more than a few issues we will BOTH hate, if not the same ones.

Kinda..I think he has them so cowed what matters is what he says he plans to do now that their is no reason to lie.

Trump has said he is pro gay marriage and trans bathrooms.

These are NOT the same issues. I don't care, and all my life, never cared, to dictate if gays married. More than one wife or husband, yes, thats an issue. But not interested in dictating sexual orientation of marriages.

The health and safety of NOT having someone be able to (fluidly in the moment decide what he is, ie, suddenly he decides he transgender, and then decide a moment later he's not, which is Obama's wording) to enter into a girl's or women's washroom, shower or changing room IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHO TOOK PRESIDENCY.

THAT IS JUST PEDO'S AND SATANISTS AND CHILD ABUSERS WANTING ACCESS.

If trans want their own bathrooms, then businesses should be forced to provide them.

This isn't on the table by the way. Even if they win a battle in this, and it takes time to get the right players forward who are skilled to stop it, THIS WILL BE STOPPED AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ANY HARM CAUSED TO ANY VICTIMS.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JoshuaCox

His VP expressly stated that Trump and Co. will be looking to roll back a whole heap of LGBT protections, amongst other social policies which came about under the Obama presidency.

I am confused as to how you can state one thing, and the VP another, without one of you being wrong.

He also said reversing Roe V. Wade would be "automatic" given his SCOTUS selections.

And am also confused as to how anybody can say he has a "strangle hold" on the GOP or RNC. Senators and Congressmen have never had any problem distancing themselves from an unpopular President before, not sure why they would now?

If he's popular and has good ideas, no stranglehold is needed. If he's not, then what's to stop people from pushing him to arm's length?

Because he assainated Cruz they are terrified.

I don't think he nominates conservative judges..I think conservatism just died.

I find it funny that you think they're terrified of him. All the more so that you think they're so terrified they'll go along with him because they're so afraid.

Keep in mind that trying to spin this as he'll somehow introduce all this liberal agenda stuff still runs into the problem of the GOP controls Congress, both houses. I know you're trying to paint this as Trump will effectively be a dictator without having to actually say it, but that's a bit of a reach.

A GOP that is terrified of trump and has totally taken over their party...

Cool. Repetition doesn't equate to truthfulness. So...no.

originally posted by: introvert
The Christian/Catholic radio shows are all buzzing this morning. They believe Trumps win will be the perfect opportunity to repeal Roe V. Wade.

This may come to pass...

I'm a conservative but am pro gay and think planned parenthood does a wonderful service to the community(they are far more than an abortion factory)

One needs to see the results of a non-operative abortion in a 3rd world hellhole to understand the potential...

Of course it is preferable to avoid pregnancy in the first place but young people are inherently irresponsible and make mistakes...

-Chris

I am so thoroughly sick of hijacked things. I'm NDP, thats left by your understanding of that word. But in the US, I WOULD HAVE VOTED TRUMP and wrote avidly for him because the borders have to be secure. We're not going to become Islamic and thats the tip of the iceberg. Cottage industries and jobs back home. And end to penning things out of the air. And getting rid of a group of global neocon (both right and left by the way, from Bush's to Clintons, good friends, and good friends with Saudi, who served a world wide agenda for the Bankers, Soros, Rothschild's since ww2 to destroy our first world nations, not to uplift the others, not to bring out free and clean and upgraded energies, such as cavitation, implosion, etc but to crash our rights, equalities and freedoms and use tools, people they destabilized with their own funded agents such as Isis) and a group that is satanic, murderous in ways that make the worst horror movies nothing in comparison. Predators on our children. Things that some of us keep posting on over and over waiting for enough to wake up and to save this planet and save the victims , ie SERVE AND PROTECT LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO TO EVEN BE AN ADULT.

So Trump means tackling that.

But what I'm tired of, is attributing one thing with another. So Left means, (not medicare, not having unemployment and social services and disabilities and old age pensions above the poverty line with price control on necessities such as housing, food, utilities, which aren't meant to be investments and rise in value, real values for humanity) we open borders and white nations, who are now to be convinced that even thinking they have nations is racism, though we won't tell China they're racist for having Chinese in their country, that they should all feel really guilty at even existing, and load on any crimes in other nations that actually belonged to the NEOCONS. That the New Left suddenly does something no country in the world ever has including Norway until Soros's NWO plan came into effect.

This isn't Left, this a neocon, right and left hijacked system that is so obscene it has to end.

Don't say, as if they're on the same page and mean the same thing, gay marraige, strange men in women's and little girls washrooms...oh really. Apples and oranges.

We don't tack and sneak in one thing, piggy backing on another.

Thats the hijack!

So I'm NDP, more left than our current liberal government is in very traditionally left ways that still pressume a nation with borders, rule of law that is constitutional, and still within democracy, not treason and NWO.

BUT I WROTE LONG AND HARD FOR TRUMP's WIN. I want these evil goons who have terrorized this planet OUT!

And think Trump has enormous energy and was empowered by the people. When I took some US tests on politics was about 50/50 libertarian and green apparently. So that translates roughly my NDP statement in Canada. Always found the liberals here too corrupt.

The reason Trump is in, was because this evil Neocon group thinks its entitled to its power and to ignore the gollums, bots, cattle, lesser beings, that apparently humanity is, useful tools and slaves, can be depopulated, thinned, ignored.

Ignore the people at your peril.

And this movement to get Trump in to both his nomination against all odds and then presidency was a people's movement, against all odds, without the funding of the others, without support from his own party, to get rid of at least one big package of the evil here on earth.

And to be called every name in the book, and to go on, hero's.

By the way they also use a word diversity. Well guess what, earth has enormous diversity, its actually due to that diversity, that we have borders. Think deeply on what that means.

And that we have bathrooms, without being preyed upon by the neocon pedo's who murder people in hideous ways.

There is a term connected with the US constitution or obligations of citizens called Due Diligence. I'm not sure if its worded in Canada like this, but its something everyone needs to understand. It means that you don't buy the propaganda of the media. And this fake hijacked left has a huge pile of lies about white privilidge, no genders even youre a ze, not he or a she, things that make you blood curdle and that go on a slippery slope into massive destruction of human rights and families and freedoms and the world is at stake. But the average 20 year like my middle child, who's biggest influence is his friends, because he's my more outgoing one, is to accept this massive programming without questioning what its for, the agenda, what direction they want to go.

Due diligence means, you don't accept what gov, what media, what media stars say, but look and pay attention to what is there behind the scenes, the hidden yet obvious satanism/occult/saturnism, their agenda's for world that they haven't really hidden. Rockerfeller published his book. They tend to put things right out in plain sight, then say the opposite.

Due diligence is very important, its called being a truth seeker, knowing the world doesnt make sense and to start to understand what is operating behind the scenes, crossing the T's, dotting the I's, and if you don't do this, you're not even an adult, you're not capable of helping others in a true sense, freeing them, freeing people from the grips of a monster so ugly that he makes Brams Stoker's Dracula look like an errant misbehaving altar boy.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

BIG money is HATING him GREATLY I assure you, THEY are addicted to cheap foreign labor that works harder and learns MORE than Americans have lately .
It must change, and fast.