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If you go back to the early american challenge to the idea of Divine Right of Kings was challenged from a religious direction
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: dfnj2015
what was flipped around that he said? Everything in the gospels is exactly what you are proposing.
He said that he would tear down the temple and rebuild it. But he meant the living temple.
He said I and the Father are One. Oh and you all are one with me, which is one with the Father.
He said the kingdom (the actual word is reign) of heaven is inside.
He said the law? what law? "you have heard it said(in the law of moses/aka the divine monarchy) and eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, but I tell you love one another and do good to one another SO THAT YOU WILL BE LIKE YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN" this was a direct affront to the power of the hierarchy. By claiming that he was the only one to know the Father, and God did not say those things, he is nullifying their rule. He is proclaiming a very different High God. One who is love, only, all the time. Not destructive, retributive, jealous, petty, as MEN had proclaimed (your doctrines of men make the scriptures of no effect). He was saying I am God, God is me, we look and act the same. IF you have seen me you have seen the Father.
He was basically calling their God false. Or at least saying they had a false vision of who God is. An angry vengeful god that would damn you to hell. Come and destroy mankind (again). He was tearing down their vision of who the messiah was. They were waiting for their warrior king messiah (and still are, along with the supposed second coming in wrath of many christians). Thats why they killed him, he was claiming to be the one sent to them, but he was not coming to create a Jewish world empire, as they so very much hoped. He was coming to bring the new creation which is inside us all. It is not a new literal temple, and literal priesthood. It is that we each bear the image of God, and are his offspring. He came to set the captives free from their bondage to religion, and the false ideas that keep us bound in chains. Those false ideas include the entire structure of world empires. "The world" that he wants to keep us from is the mindset of the empire. The mindset of dominion of one man/people over another. At any level.
When he said render to Caesar, he was subverting the rule of Caesar by saying "no sorry you don't own everything, yes you have your money and power (taxation, subjugation) but you don't own my mind, my inner most being, which is heaven"
This very thought is the basis of all revolutionary thought. The powers that be cannot dictate my will, my thoughts, my loves. If we don't give them the power they have none.
His message throughout was entirely anti-hierarchical. Religious, Cultural, Political.
originally posted by: CB328
If you go back to the early american challenge to the idea of Divine Right of Kings was challenged from a religious direction
They didn't challenge it because their religion opposed monarchy, but because the monarchy opposed their particular religion.
It was the elightenment/scientific movement of the 1700's and 1800's that really gave rise to the idea of ending monarchy, not religion. Religion is usually a tool of the state, or vice versa. Our current American perception of religion and government being against each other is a modern idea.
originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: zardust
Excellent posts.
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: dfnj2015
Jesus most definitely was against the hierarchy. His entire mission was to expose the principalities and powers as weak and powerless. We give them their power. Their power is our power, which is the divine life within us all.
originally posted by: zardust
a reply to: dfnj2015
Jesus most definitely was against the hierarchy. His entire mission was to expose the principalities and powers as weak and powerless. We give them their power. Their power is our power, which is the divine life within us all.