Imagine if you will...

Imagine if you will, your candidate has won the 2016 presidential election, he/she has thusly driven the nation into the ground. 20 years has passed you are speaking to your grandchildren. Why do you tell them you supported x?


Now on the flip side your opponent has one and turned America into the pennicle of excellence what do you tell your grand kids about why you opposed the candidate.

Mods move if need be but I would like the freedom of expression allowed here in the pit...

a reply to: crimsongod21

Its really no difference than any decision I make, say, at work. If things don't work out I take ownership of it. I don't make excuses but I do provide an explanation as to what I thought about whatever the facts were at the time.

a reply to: eluryh22

Ok...so why? What made you vote for x... Or against x?

a reply to: crimsongod21

Precisely the reason I'm not voting... I couldn't bear to be held partly responsible (even if just at face value) for voting for a "leader" who will cause MORE death and destruction.

PS Taxation is theft

and Voting is virtually pointless

Why would I bother to tell them anything?

originally posted by: crimsongod21
Why do you tell them you supported x?

Look kid, those were different times back then.
People had these things called guns. Guns were these metal tools that you created tiny explosions inside of that would project soft mounds of lead through the air. These things were called bullets and they would rip right through you.

You know in all those old movies that you watch? The ones that always have the guy holding his arm out giving a thumbs-up to the other people? Ever notice how the other person would then fall down after that person gave him the thumbs-up sign?
Well that's because they originally contained guns, see? And they have since airbrushed them out and replaced them with those cheesy thumbs-up signs that you see all over every old movie ever made.

Remember last week when we watched Apocalypse Now on the iScreen?
Remember how you thought it was weird that everyone was going around giving each other thumbs-up signs but the other person kept falling over and going to sleep anyways?

Well, that's all for tonight Johnny. Goodnight.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

You are discussing the past, they asked you who you supported and why....and as a caring grandparent you tell them ... Its a thought experiment to make people think about why they are truly voting for or against person x....

I would tell them the truth. That my candidate's opponent was incompetent, morally broke, a habitual liar and most likely mentally ill, therefore I no choice but to vote for *her*.

I would tell them the truth. That my candidate's opponent was incompetent, morally broke, a habitual liar and most likely mentally ill, therefore I (had) no choice but to vote for *him.*

a reply to: crimsongod21

Its a thought experiment to make people think about why they are truly voting for or against person x

I think you may be giving yourself a bit more credit that (perhaps) you deserve, what with the whole "thought experiment" thing. You are basically asking the same two-part question that millions of people are asking. "Who are you voting for and why?" I'm curious how you think slightly changing the framing causes anyone to think anything differently than they already do...?

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Yeah-they won't listen. Never do.

a reply to: crimsongod21

I look at 'em and tell 'em straight up...

Assuming they care enough to ask. It's your grandma's fault.





Nothing wrong with admitting you were wrong. If whoever wins does indeed do a fantastic job, I'm more than happy to eat a bit of crow...in fact I hope I have to. I'm not so selfish as all that.

a reply to: crimsongod21

I'll play.

Imagine if you will, your candidate has won the 2016 presidential election, he/she has thusly driven the nation into the ground. 20 years has passed you are speaking to your grandchildren. Why do you tell them you supported x?

I'll tell them that Jill Stein had the best policy positions, but absolutely no support in Congress or in State governments. This is because there simply weren't enough Green Party candidates to capitalize on her superstar-level popularity during that election cycle. So those govts blocked all of her good policy proposals, blocked all of her federal appointees, and obstructed every Executive Order she made.

This blatant rejection of Stein's overwhelming public mandate (from receiving an unprecedented 84.13% percent of the vote) directly caused the 2nd American Civil War, commonly known as "Operation Green Bean". As everyone knows, the Republican base/"troops" all fled to Texas & seceded after their treasonous plans to allow Russia to invade the American inner cities failed.

Though the "Great Republican Withdrawal" actually improved the country, the Democratic Party couldn't mentally handle the overwhelming victory by the healthy and stylish Greens. So in their greatest moment of despair during the peace negotiations, Democratic leaders secretly convinced our NATO "allies" to nuke the lower 48 States. Shortly before the first barrage of nuclear warheads began, Wikileaks leaked the Democrat's treacherous nominee Clinton saying something to the effect of "Blah blah she was supposed to be the first woman president... blah blah if she can't have it, then no one can blah...".

In short, the collapse was everyone else's fault. But due to our ingenuity, diligence, and general "one with Nature-ness", the Progressive Left and the Green Party were able to rebuild the country into the socialist utopian state that you see today.

The End.

Now on the flip side your opponent has one and turned America into the pennicle of excellence what do you tell your grand kids about why you opposed the candidate.

I'd tell them that they're too young to talk about "grown folks stuff", then tell them to go pester their grandma. And something about "prunes" and "Obamacare".

I'd say -

Kid! You better get back to finding kindling and scraping off the oxidized radioactive crust so we can cook up one of the mutant rats that ate your grandmother last week.
And then we have to hurry up and get back underground before the clouds start dumping more radioactive rain on our melted landscape.
Quit asking questions about what happened 20 years ago. I don't know. Sh!t. Things just got out of control and then everything blew up. Literally. Get back to work now, its still winter, for the next few years at least.

I will tell them I wrote in Gumby.

a reply to: eluryh22

You see I don't care who you vote for, hence candidate x. I don't need names. Here is a sample response for you.

Well I voted for candidate x based on the policy regarding global trade, they were trying to do right by Americans but unfortunately the plans didn't go the way I had hoped. Hence our now third world nation.

On the flip side.

I voted against the candidate because I thought there policies on immigration were flawed, I didn't see how they could be mandated and effective. I was wrong look at all these flying cars and teleported we have now. Now go fetch me some more youth spray grandpa has a hot date.

I want people to look at there candidate and see why they are truly voting for them and against the other person, no need to report names or anything like that. The responses could be vague as mine were or as obvious as you would like.

I feel like you might just be afraid to really dig into the why of whom you are voting for though I could be wrong.

Crim.

Well I have had some very creative responses so far, and if nothing else its been a fun read through. To keep from having to reply to every one and making this thread longer than it needs to be. Thank you to every one that participated thus far and to those who may participate in the future. Now for my turn.....



Well, you see when I was doing my research I came across a ton of "facts" about both candidates, Timmy.and let me tell you it made them all stink. I looked deep down into my heart and asked myself who is the best option and found them all lacking but I knew I had to make a choice and I did, I stick by it as wrong as I was, but the policies as were laid out made it clear to me. That if the other side won everything would go up in smoke, from rampant abuse and the hatred that spewed from the other candidate I could not vote for them in good faith. Now go tell comrade petrov that the toilet vodka is ready it will be a good night in the yard tonight tomorrow we make our escape but tonight we drink!


Flip side....

Well Timmy when I looked at our president from back then all k could see were the faults the blatant fear mongering and what appeared to me to be unactionable policies. Little did I know that by enacting said policies would our economy grow to such large heights, and with the constant wars that our policies placed us in the technological advancements grew by leaps and bounds I was wrong Timmy I was wrong.

originally posted by: angeldoll
I would tell them the truth. That my candidate's opponent was incompetent, morally broke, a habitual liar and most likely mentally ill, therefore I no choice but to vote for *her*.

Oops didn't you mean him?

a reply to: crimsongod21

I've indicated that I'm voting for Trump all over this website, so I assure you I'm not hiding anything.

I've also explained in other threads that my wife and I are what I guess would be referred to as the younger part of middle age. We finally purchased our own home, both have our careers and based on our professions, we will likely make it to retirement before the robots or AI take over our jobs (although, of course, anything can happen so I'm not tempting fate here). Unless something drastic and unforeseen happens, the two of us should be alright (although possibly harassed by the gubment more and more over the years).

So this and every other election really isn't about my self or my wife. It is about our 5 year old son and his generation (and by default, those subsequent generations).

Although no nation lives in a vacuum, I want a President that understands his/her role is to keep the priorities of the United States and it's citizens/legal residents front and center. We can be good neighbors to the world while still keeping ourselves, our safety and our prosperity as priority number one.

a reply to: eluryh22

Ok, that was a very well thought out reply, and I understand completely while my wife and I are still young we are both firmly entrenched in our careers, community and are trying to do our best to raise our children as we can. That being said I don't think you are really following what I am attempting to do here.

This isn't some ploy to make you change who you are voting for, this is to get people thinking while allowing us to step back and laugh at why our choice may fail and the other may succeed all while telling a fun little story.

If you don't want to play along that is fine, but I don't understand the need to make an issue of it.