Slipping Between Versions of Reality

a reply to: swords

Greetings swords.

Wow. Just… wow. Your post really hit me where I live. And, I think I may be able to give you some information. (Some of it may be useful, some may not. But I’m gonna try, dagnabit.)

Full disclosure:

I have *not* had a fair share of paranormal experiences. In fact, I can definitively state that I’ve never seen a ghost, or a UFO, or Bigfoot… you get the idea. I’m a Buddhist. I’ve never done an illicit drug, I don’t drink, and I’m in relatively good health. (Never had a head injury, mental illness does not run in my family, etc.)

My experiences are, and have been, very similar to yours. It started in 2007 for me, and shook me enough to the point that I started seeing a psychiatrist. And even then, I only peripherally mentioned what was happening, for fear that he would think I was having a psychotic break. (I mentioned “memory issues” which could be interpreted as “failure to remember short-term tasks,” as opposed to my *real* issue of, oh, remembering things/events that apparently never happened…) I’m not going to deluge you with the details, because, frankly, you sound truly worried about what’s happening; I’d rather try and give you information as best as I can instead of bore you.

I’ve never considered the slipping/untethering paranormal, or occult-like. If anything, this situation got me interested in physics (particle and theoretical), philosophy, and the mathematics of probability. (NOT pseudoscience, but the solid equations and inner workings.) SO… as unsettling as it all is, when you get that dizzying, mouth-drying feeling that the situation that you’re in happened some other way, remember:

• Because of your unique situation, you’re better able to understand and appreciate theories/thought experiments/information that may be oblique to some. (For example, the Copenhagen interpretation, Hugh Everett’s many-worlds interpretation, wave function collapse/objective collapse/decoherence, the “double-slit experiment”… the list goes on and on.) “Woo” and pseudoscience sites aside, I guarantee if you delve into these, the info will strike a chord with you. (If you’re interested, I can recommend some books and sites.)

Also, beyond the hard science, I started reading stories and articles about parallel worlds. (I have a huge binder of stuff that I’ve collected.) I was interested to see how someone, even a fictional character, would deal with a shifting infinite number of probabilities and constants. Some good examples include:

"Onion" by Caitlín R. Kiernan. The main character and his girlfriend are in a support group for people that have experienced parallel worlds.
“The Gernsback Continuum” by William Gibson. The protagonist is “haunted” by what Gibson calls “semiotic ghosts”… glimpses of a parallel world built in the image of a 1930’s high-tech fever dream. To mitigate these sightings (according to the Wikipedia page), “…on the advice of a friend, he immerses himself deliberately in the grittiest ‘realities’ of our world (such as pornography and news stories about crime and war) that are at odds with the idealized world of Gernsback and others.”

These are just a couple from the bunch I collected, but reading the stories made me feel that the situation was less unsettling, and just more unusual than anything.

The other thing I can tell you is this, at least for me: since it all began in 2007, it has never stopped. It’s varied in duration and effect, but, it’s never gone away. (However, I can say it hasn’t been as bad as when it first started for me.) I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m not going to wake up one morning with one of my children erased from existence, or to find that the Russians won the Cold War, because those situations are way too far out of the realm of probability/possibility.

Think of it this way. A quantum system collapses from a blend of several possible quantum states to just one when measured or experienced. Your choice to throw away the Minion drawing was (or should have been…) the pin-point that should have collapsed multiple states to one. BUT, it’s possible that a parallel state, something peripheral, failed to collapse with the others.

Anyhoo… I don’t know if any of my rambling helps. If not, well, at least you have someone to commiserate with.

- Caz

In a different thread (wink) you mentioned some dealings with UFOs that your family members had encountered. From everything I've read, it would seem your Mom (which would also include the entire family) has been abducted over the years. If so, you might have some implants that are being activated and being used in certain mind control experiments.

It's not necessarily the ETs doing this. There is a higher Secret Space Program so far advanced with technology beyond what we have in the lower levels of our space program, it would make it seem to be from ETs. I'm sure the technology was given to them by ETs long ago, but it's the military doing most of the abductions these days, and they are using people without their consent to do mind control studies on. Your family could be involved in this.

On a different note, we have "waves" of very high energy that are coming into our solar system at this time, and also being emitted from the sun, and they are affecting the minds of "sensitive" people, and eventually will affect ALL people. These waves are also causing the parallel universes to merge more often than in the past. So, this could be what is happening to you and others who are experiencing the Mandela Effect.

Things are only going to get crazier as time goes by, so all I can tell you is, hang on and stay grounded. We are in for one hell of a ride!

a reply to: tigertatzen

I remember the Mandela effect and had a decent laugh. Also giggled when people swore Australia was out of place. This ongoing weirdness has shut my mouth right up, of course.

The fear for me comes not from shifting; I am a survivor. What I fear is that I might slip out of my current reality and drift really really far and wind up in a universe where I have a different husband or live in a different town or have a different job and having to fake my way through that... I shudder to think of it.

a reply to: CazOuillette

I suppose I brought it to the paranormal areal because it is...not normal. And there isn't a quantum mysteries forum

I'm very familiar with the many worlds hypothesis. Actually explained wave-function collapse to the hubsy last night. In my occult dealings, I have examined our beautiful universe quite a bit as well, and I do firmly believe that I-- and apparently you and another poster, so far-- have been experiencing a similar or the same phenomenon, which plays upon some of the stranger laws of physics. Something causes us to shift, not very far, into a similar but notably different version of reality.

Is it a natural feature of the universe? Have I managed to piss off another occult society more powerful than any I'd previously imagined? Can it be stopped? These are the questions which linger.

a reply to: sled735

*double wink* It was the gumment, I'm pretty sure. My ma got a good look at the craft, and it was definitely during the time they would have been testing designs for the B-2 Spirit. She was quite excited when the first pics of it began to circulate... the original hipster is a hippie. "I saw that aircraft before it was cool to have seen that aircraft." Lol. The only thing physically awry with me is that my left arm is an inch shorter than the right, but no implants. I wish it was just aliens, jeesh.

a reply to: swords

One pagan to another. What type of pagan are you?

a reply to: Noinden

Pagan is an easy word for:

I'm a former renegade thelemite, a mostly like 99% retired occultist with a whole ton of "fun" stories that nobody with sense would ever want to hear much less experience, a semi-superstitious worship of the sea and of Odin, and the unshakable belief that if there is a supreme god, it's so far beyond our comprehension that its existence doesn't really f***ing matter.

a reply to: swords

That is a really long name to give something Also I have no "Sense" in that matter I'm not retired, and I am convinced there is no "supreme being" rather numerous higher (but not ultimate) beings.

a reply to: swords

I don't know.. I'd say most people have experienced similar things.

While I have my own ideas on strangeness like "time slips," and how "reality" constructs itself, it seems many of the listed experiences could be sourced in a lack of mindfulness. This can be from anything from inebriation to sleepiness to just plain "head-in-the-sky." Life is a pretty wacky thing, but I suspect most of it is due to having such limited perception. Our tools help us peer beyond that barrier, but certainly do not eliminate it.

Do you have any more examples? I think everyone experiences strangeness and we constantly force it into our narrative, for better or worse. One aspect of that is that the events we ascribe as "high strangeness" can be dissonance from inconsistent perception. Meaning, its easier to label it strange than anything else. Similarly, events that truly are strange can challenge our narrative so strongly that we assimilate them with the most "normal" explanation possible.

a reply to: Serdgiam

I could say, maybe meeting some people and forgetting them is normal, even for someone with a mind like mine. I don't forget things. I have complex PTSD, with the fun complication that it makes me remember everything in grave detail, even unimportant things, because my mind is constantly searching for information to give me some advantage over death. That's the fun of complex PTSD.

That aside, time slips and things like that are unusual, and I'm very sure our universe is full of glitches. However, a prolonged series of major brain farts would be indicative of a major mental problem of biological nature, and believe me my medical team would have noticed a tumor.

My interest here is in the NDE. Did this include some sort of BE? Did you encounter any beings (human or non-human) during the OBE?. Do you know how long you were "clinically dead"?.

I died in 2008, I first heard of ME's in 2011, # got weird in 2013 and then last year it picked up. Not fully convinced on "shifting dimensions", I'm still undecided on a theory, but the NDE aspect interests me.

As we are edging closer to the end of this year, it is interesting that there are two things being ignored because of the pervasiveness and the literal tabloid take on politics. Number one is, of course, the ongoing fears of world war and number two is, the likely hood of extra-terrestrial revelation. The reality is simple – war is inevitable, however, it is appearing the idea of disclosure of the extra-terrestrial reality is now a politically charged trap. As the mainstream media is constantly creating a barrage of noise with regard to political criminality, email leaks are not only proving that the criminality in government is widespread it is also revealing conversations about the future which include space travel, secret space programs, and the reality of extra-terrestrial life that at this moment is undefined. NASA’s Planetary Science Division has already outlined a possible scenario which includes an environmental extinction level event scenario that would prompt a possible contact with extra-terrestrial intelligence. The green designed sustainability bandwagon has already concluded that in some far out plan the idea that “ecosystem-valuing universalist ETI” would opt to wipe humanity out in order to preserve the Earth system as a whole. According to NASA research groups and Pennsylvania State University academics, frightening aspects of climate change are now including alien invasion and concerns for impact on global impacts on ecosystems. They claim that because of the potential of alien intervention.

“It would be particularly important for us to limit our emissions of greenhouse gases, since atmospheric composition can be observed from other planets.” A common misconception is to think that if life takes root somewhere, it will be only a matter of time before it becomes intelligent. The fact is that life has no grand plan, no evolutionary blueprint to reach intelligence; life is about adaptability to the environment and reproducibility—alien life is abundant in space, intelligent alien life that has any concern for us other than to take our resources is what science fiction has given us. Alien life that has all of the answers to our environmental woes, and unlimited energy sources to give us willingly to stop climate change is a political maneuver and should not be trusted. This may be why the whole alien issue has been simmering underneath the political rhetoric of the Clinton campaign. The whole idea of alien disclosure was political suicide and now it appears that a hint or clue about the alien reality would be enough to move forward on Global Sustainability goals and globalist agendas. Even Ronald Reagan said that differences of the world would vanish if an alien threat was detected against this planet.

If we find aliens, or they find us, what happens next? Most of the answers to that question come in the form of films. Next week a new film called, Arrival, will take us through the processes and protocols for a less destructive contact or arrival of alien creatures. The film has been praised for the way it sticks to a more real world and contemporary response to the revelation. However, there are a few scientists that are now saying that unless they arrive and demand attention, perhaps it is not a wise move to respond to an alien transmission. With the millions of dollars currently being invested in initiatives such the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI), some would argue it is only a matter of time before we do come across intelligent life. Dr John Elliot, joint coordinator for the UK Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Research Network recently told the press that as it becomes evident that there are reasons to believe that yes there is extraterrestrial intelligence scientists are now debating whether or not we should respond if they send us a message. Although he admits that it may not be a choice that any single body gets to make. SETI’s policy, once it is fairly sure that an intercepted signal is an alien message, will be to share it openly to allow people all over the world to try to understand it. Thereafter, it will be hard to stop anyone from answering.

Even after that, it is a matter of linguistics, which is why there are scientists and linguists now trying to devise a way to understand languages that might make sense to an intelligent alien – sort of a branch which deals in xenolinguistics. Revelations in a set of hacked emails released by WikiLeaks earlier this month have sparked new conversations about UFOs and speculation that extra-terrestrials have been visiting Earth. But a very significant and possibly overlooked group of WikiLeaks items relevant to the topic was released on May 18, 2015. WikiLeaks posted more than half a million U.S. State Department diplomatic documents from 1978 detailing America’s interactions with countries all around the world, including Grenada Prime Minister Eric Gairy’s efforts to organize a United Nations-based committee to research and investigate global UFO reports. Many of the documents, written by American UN officials, indicated how closely they were monitoring Grenada’s UFO-related activities. Another cable posted on WikiLeaks, from Nov. 24, 1978, refers to Ambassador Richard Petree’s meeting with Grenada representatives “to discuss their UFO resolution. Ambassador Petree acknowledged the high level of interest in UFOs among some elements of the private sector and scientific community … and pointed to the budgetary impact as a major concern of the U.S. and other countries.”

A few days after that, on Dec. 2, 1978, a follow-up cable was transmitted, including the following: Subsequent to the introduction of the Grenadian UFO resolution, Misoff [Mission Officer] has engaged in two separate informal negotiating sessions, which included representation from Austria, USSR and Grenada, in an attempt to arrive at a mutually acceptable compromise solution to the problem. A draft decision to be taken by the Special Political Committee (SPC) has been agreed upon by the participants in the informal negotiations, subject to concurrence of their respective capitals. We think referral of the [UFO] matter to the Outer Space Committee (OSC) without a preordained mandate as to what action is to be taken, provides the flexibility the OSC needs to take whatever action it deems appropriate. It will also obviate the need to vote on a resolution (and gamble on the results). The following week brought forth another document, on Dec. 8, 1978, which stated:

“The General Assembly invites interested member states to take appropriate steps to coordinate on a national level scientific research and investigation into extraterrestrial life, including unidentified flying objects, and to inform the secretary-general of the observations, research and evaluation of such activities.”

It was further suggested that Grenada’s views on UFOs could be discussed in 1979. Unfortunately, that didn’t come to pass, as Grenada Prime Minister Gairy was overthrown in a 1979 coup. Needless to say, without the Gairy-based initiative on UFOs, it was quietly relegated to Grenada’s back burner. According to Lee Speigel of the Huffington Post:

“This is the tip of the UFO-UN iceberg. It shows how the subject of UFOs wasn’t merely officially ridiculed or slapped aside. There was, and perhaps still is, some interest there, just waiting to emerge.”

On July 14, 1978, Speigel brought together a group of military, scientific and psychological experts to meet with United Nations Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim to discuss the importance of establishing an international UFO committee. During the Memorial Day weekend of 2017 another movie is to be released called LIFE. The preview to this film was released and the story revolves around The six-member crew of the International Space Station and how they study a sample from Mars that may be the first proof of extra-terrestrial life. We are lead to believe in the preview that the small life form is intelligent and quite possibly dangerous. In 2002 NASA prepared a Draft Test Protocol for Detecting Possible Biohazards in Martian Samples Returned to Earth. The document prepared recommendations on how Martian samples should be handled and even though we have been told that Mars is a relatively dead planet the Space Studies Board and the National Research council did not want to take any chances of discovering a dangerous Martian biological entity. Lines 69 through 72 read:

“Samples from Mars by spacecraft should be contained and treated as potentially hazardous until proven otherwise, and rigorous physical, chemical, and biological analysis should confirm that there is no indication of the presence of any exogenous or biological entity.”

Meanwhile, a study published in last month reported the detection of odd light pulses coming from 234 of 2.5 million stars observed by the Sloan Digital Sky Survey’s 2.5-meter telescope in New Mexico. These pulses are consistent with signals that intelligent aliens might produce, the study authors claimed. While skeptics are chiming in with don’t get too excited, they are also saying that they are not about to dismiss anything right now. Scientists are saying these light signals most certainly need to be examined and there needs to be a follow up examination. In 1960, Frank Drake first proposed searching for such signals from other star systems by using large radio dishes, yet over the past 50 or so years, we’ve developed far more efficient ways to communicate across the globe than with broadcast radio and TV signals. Does searching for aliens in the electromagnetic spectrum even make sense anymore? If they send a message to us should we respond, and doesn’t seem a bit trite anymore to demand disclosure form governments as it makes a political circus out the extra-terrestrial question? We have been sending our own signals out into space with radio and TV broadcasts. A little over 80 years ago, we first began broadcasting radio and television signals with enough power that they should leave Earth’s atmosphere and progress deep into interstellar space. If someone or something living in a distant star system were keeping a vigilant eye out for these signals, they would not only be able to pick them up, but immediately identify them as created by an intelligent species.

November 3, 2016

I'm living in between versions I think, it's a good theory you have there.

I've experienced some odd changes myself and if you never experienced it, others think either you are crazy, psychotic, or forgetful or just lying. I'm thinking it's possible that instead of having a so called out of body experience which some believe is possible where your spirit can travel in the astral plane and come back to your body, that it's possible your spirit could reawaken back in your body in a parallel universe instead of the one you started in. Reasons could be a simple mixup or your body had an unfortunate accident and you randomly died in one of those realities.

Granted it is possible that some people are forgetful or using drugs or have mental issues but I do not believe I am one of those and have experienced some things that would have given me national attention on tv if someone had filmed what I saw. I do not want that kind of attention so I'm glad no one has caught me at the center of any paranormal event so far. I haven't experienced anything really strange in several years now so everything seems pretty stable now.

I think I'm in a near identical reality right now and there's an evil deity here that interacts with me and wrecks my life

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