Hurricane Nicole forms east of Hurricane Matthew - Florida may get hit twice

Currently Cat 1

Location: 620 miles north of San Juan, Puerto Rico
Maximum sustained winds: 80 mph
Movement: northwest at 8 mph
At 2 p.m., the center of Hurricane Nicole was located 620 miles north of San Juan, Puerto Rico.



Nicole may interact with Mathew if one is stronger than the other

" Hurricane Matthew, poised to become a historically dangerous storm for Florida as it advances toward the state, could actually strike the peninsula twice in the next several days.

The storm’s outer bands are already being felt in Florida, and it’s expected to make landfall early Friday and cause massive flooding over the weekend from Florida to South Carolina. Then it should turn out to sea Sunday.



But here’s the thing: There’s another storm on Matthew’s heels, Hurricane Nicole. And the way they interact will have consequences all along the peninsula."


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It’s now looking more and more likely that smaller, Category-1 Nicole will push and push on Matthew, shoving the bigger storm back toward land even as it tries to move out over the water. The result could be Matthew doing a full loop — and making landfall in Florida twice. Here’s how a storm model predicts that will look.
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BULLETIN
HURRICANE NICOLE SPECIAL ADVISORY NUMBER 10
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL152016
200 PM AST THU OCT 06 2016

...NICOLE BECOMES A HURRICANE...


SUMMARY OF 200 PM AST...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
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LOCATION...27.3N 65.0W
ABOUT 345 MI...555 KM S OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 620 MI...995 KM N OF SAN JUAN PUERTO RICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...80 MPH...130 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NW OR 325 DEGREES AT 8 MPH...13 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...985 MB...29.09 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
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There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
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At 200 PM AST (1800 UTC), the center of Hurricane Nicole was located
near latitude 27.2 North, longitude 64.9 West. Nicole is moving
toward the north-northwest near 7 mph (11 km/h). A turn toward the
north-northwest is expected later today. A slow and meandering
motion is forecast tonight and Friday.

Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 80 mph (130 km/h)
with higher gusts. Some additional strengthening is likely over
the nest day or so, followed by slow weakening.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 15 miles (30 km) from the
center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles
(110 km).

The estimated minimum central pressure is 985 mb (29.09 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
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SURF: Swells associated with Nicole, along with rough surf
conditions, will affect Bermuda for the next few days.


NEXT ADVISORY
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Next complete advisory at 500 PM AST.

$$
Forecaster Pasch


NOAA

When I saw the two hurricanes on the satellite image, the first thing that came to mind is how many large tornadoes start as two or more twisters and then merge into a larger stronger tornado.

While I expect the physics would be quite a lot different on scale of hurricanes, the thought of the two merging into a giant hurricane went through my mind. Sounds like a good B movie plot.

Looks like it will all turn into a flooding event for the Carolinas all the way up to D.C. If ever there was an event that points to weather wars imho this is it.

STM

I've heard that Matthew may loop around and hit Florida again. It didn't occur to me that Nicole might be the reason for it.

"# you Florida" -Mother Nature

Will they increase evacuation?

a reply to: violet
The family house in Cocoa Beach is shuttered tight.
My wife and daughter are enroute to Tampa to stay with our son and I'm hanging with my mom in Titusville, shuttered with a whole house generator.

I feel about as good as I can about things and expect this hurricane to be the same the strongest one we had in 2004.

The big stress relief this time is I'm retired from the Fire Department and will not have to spend a long period of time away and out of touch from my family.

In 2004 I worked for 4 days straight with no relief to check on my house or effect repairs.

a reply to: bluesjr


I dint think this interacting is a merging but one pushing the other
I did t think about tornadoe
Looks like a scary place to be right now.

Sitting here in brevard county. omnious, enjoying the last bit of grid power for possibly a couple weeks..and certainly no air conditioning for awhile.

I am a bit nervous, but the house is strong, still, you never know.

Anyone in town with me here should have a safe house (obviously, boarded up) a safe room (know the strongest room in the house furthest away from winds..make sure no danger of a tree crashing through) and a safe spot (a strong bed to go under, a dresser, hang in the bathtub, etc).

Anyone wanting to help Florida post apocalypse pls bring internets...we will not have good access to streaming lolcat videos for quite sometime.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
I've read different views on it, one with Mathew looping with no mention of Nicole and one with them interacting.

a reply to: grubblesnert

Hope you and your family are well protected. I'd be scared. I've never experienced one. I live on the west coast of Canada and we get powerful storms but not of this magnitude

Keep us updated while you have a connection
Best of luck!

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
Here's more that explains the possible interaction of the two. Note , this was before Nicole was upgraded to a hurricane

As Hurricane Matthew makes its way up the Florida coast, forecasters now predict that the storm will go back into the Atlantic and head back toward us.

But as Matthew makes that turn into the Atlantic, it could get in Tropical Storm Nicole’s path, resulting in both storms interacting with one another. This phenomenon is called the Fujiwara effect.

Could Hurricane Matthew interact with Tropical Storm Nicole? photo
This NOAA satellite image taken Wednesday, Oct. 05, 2016 at 12:45 AM EDT shows both current active tropical cyclones in view moving away from the Caribbean, with Hurricane Matthew north of the eastern edge of Cuba, and Tropical Storm Nicole located out over the western Atlantic to the northeast of Matthew. Matthew is currently at category 4 strength with maximum sustained winds up to 125 MPH. Matthew will continue to move northward away from the Caribbean, though its outer bands are still impacting Hispaniola, and Haiti continues to bear the full impact of Matthew with heavy rains and strong winds. (NOAA/Weather Underground via AP)
Named after a Japanese meterologist, this phenomenon can happen when tropical cyclones are less then 900 miles between each other.

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a reply to: violet

I did seen the smaller hurricane close to Mathews but I though it was just part of it, thanks for the update.

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a reply to: SaturnFX

If you are to stay for the hurricane the most dangerous hurricane that will hit that area in history, you should have a generator.

I whish you luck and keep safe.

a reply to: grubblesnert

Wishing you all the best. Every spring here in North Texas we get a lot of tornadoes, but usually only a few extremely severe ones and usually those while devastating are extremely small impact areas (in terms of geographical probability).

Hurricanes like this are a whole other beast. Stay safe and know that the rest of us ATSers are thinking about our East Florida and South East coast friends these next couple days.

Please keep us updated!

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: SaturnFX

If you are to stay for the hurricane the most dangerous hurricane that will hit that area in history, you should have a generator.

I whish you luck and keep safe.

Yeah, got a generator that should run the house minus the central AC..but gas is gonna get expensive if it goes on for weeks on end. then we got the second hurricane, and then after that, matthew should be on us again. we aren't gonna see city power until 2077 at this rate...
I took a video just now of the "before". pretty neighborhood, nice trees, a bit foresty suburbian kind of area.
high cat 4 is meant to push down all trees..so that sucks. I only have 1 that is a threat. ugg, everytime I consider all the damage we are about to get, I kind of want to go drinking...sadly the bars closed at 6....shoulda hit the bars.

Looks to be really bad
Stay safe Floridians

SITUATION OVERVIEW
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DANGEROUS HURRICANE MATTHEW CONTINUES TO MOVE NORTHWESTWARD OVER
THE NORTHERN BAHAMAS AND IS FORECAST TO MOVE VERY NEAR OR OVER THE
EAST CENTRAL COAST OF FLORIDA LATE TONIGHT AND INTO FRIDAY.

CONDITIONS WILL CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE
EVENING AND ESPECIALLY OVERNIGHT AS THE OUTER RAINBANDS FROM MATTHEW
CONTINUE TO INCREASE IN BOTH NUMBER AND INTENSITY. EXTREMELY
DANGEROUS, LIFE-THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE FORECAST IN THE
NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. THE CENTER OF HURRICANE MATTHEW CONTAINING THE
STRONGEST WIND GUSTS, STORM SURGE AND HEAVY RAIN SQUALLS WILL MOVE
VERY NEAR OR OVER PORTIONS OF THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA COASTLINE VERY
EARLY FRIDAY MORNING AND INTO THE AFTERNOON.

WIDESPREAD EXTENSIVE TO DEVASTATING WIND IMPACTS WILL BE FELT.
AIRBORNE DEBRIS LOFTED BY EXTREME WINDS WILL BE CAPABLE OF BREACHING
STRUCTURES, UNPROTECTED WINDOWS AND VEHICLES. EFFECTS SUCH AS THESE
HAVE NOT BEEN EXPERIENCED IN CENTRAL FLORIDA IN DECADES. LOCAL
CONDITIONS WILL LIKELY EXCEED WHAT OCCURRED DURING THE HURRICANES OF
2004. EXPECT WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES.

INLAND FROM THE COASTLINE, THE THREAT IS HIGH FOR SUSTAINED HURRICANE
FORCE WINDS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME FRIDAY MORNING WITH A HIGH THREAT FOR
STRONG TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS FARTHER INLAND OVER LAKE COUNTY.

WITH AN EXPECTED TRACK CLOSE TO THE COASTLINE, THE POTENTIAL FOR LIFE
THREATENING STORM SURGE FLOODING IS HIGH TO EXTREME. STORM SURGE
FLOODING OF 7 TO 11 FEET IS EXPECTED ALONG THE BARRIER ISLANDS OF
VOLUSIA AND BREVARD COUNTIES, WITH 4 TO 7 FEET OF INUNDATION EXPECTED
OVER INDIAN RIVER, MARTIN, AND SAINT LUCIE COUNTY BARRIER ISLANDS.

LARGE BREAKING WAVES ALONG BEACHES WILL PEAK BETWEEN 12 TO 18 FEET AND
PRODUCE ROUGH, POUNDING SURF RESULTING IN A SIGNIFICANT HAZARD OF
COASTAL FLOODING FROM DUNE BREACHING, ALONG WITH VERY SEVERE BEACH
SCOURING AND SAND DUNE EROSION.

SIGNIFICANT DOWNWIND PILING AND SURGING OF WATER WILL OCCUR WITHIN THE
INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY, LAGOONS, AND INLETS. THE CLOSE APPROACH OF
MATTHEW'S EYE TO THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA COAST MEANS PROPERTIES
FACING EAST AND WEST ALONG THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY WILL BE
SUSCEPTIBLE TO WIND DRIVEN PILING OF WATER. ADDITIONALLY, WIND DRIVEN
PILING OF WATER WILL BE POSSIBLE ALONG THE BANKS OF THE SAINT JOHNS
RIVER IN LAKE AND VOLUSIA COUNTIES.

HEAVY RAIN, ESPECIALLY IN SQUALLS, WILL INCREASE IN COVERAGE AND
FREQUENCY ACROSS EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY. WIDESPREAD
RAINFALL TOTALS OF 5 TO 8 INCHES ARE EXPECTED WITH LOCALLY HIGHER
AMOUNTS, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE COAST. SATURATED SOILS IN MANY AREAS
FROM HEAVY SEPTEMBER AND EARLY OCTOBER RAINFALL WILL HOLD VERY LITTLE
ADDITIONAL WATER BEFORE WATER QUICKLY BEGINS TO POND, ESPECIALLY IN
LOW LYING AND URBAN AREAS. STANDING WATER WILL BE CAPABLE OF QUICKLY
RISING, ESPECIALLY IN FLOOD PRONE AREAS, AND COULD ENTER HOMES AND
BUSINESSES DURING MATTHEW'S PASSAGE.

RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED
TO MONITOR THE LATEST TRACK AND INTENSITY FORECASTS FROM THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER. ENSURE FINAL PREPARATIONS ACCORDING TO YOUR
READINESS PLANS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

Taken from advisory #35
NOAA

a reply to: SaturnFX

I suppose you have Gators to contend with as well" with water everywhere. Or do they retreat in fear?