Maybe Trump Did Cheat

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Yeah. I know. If Trump pays less in taxes it's better for everybody.

I've heard the rap.

Deflection, check.

No, not deflection. He wants to cut his taxes by 10%. He want to cut mine by 1.3%.

He wants to cost the country about $5 billion a year. That won't buy many roads.

Let's try this another way.

1) Trump's taxes won't build many roads either.
2) Roads don't produce good or services. Building more roads doesn't build an economy.

If you don't want your 1.3% cut, I'll take it. Better than tossing more money down a federal hole.

The real arguments deflect all the way to motivation. Conservatives and Democrats take fundamentally different approaches. Conservatives use classical competition while Democrats try to take 'money' as an issue off the table as much as possible. Both strategies incorporate positive results.

The truth lays in how to effectively combine them in all scopes of pay, while each party just pushes their format.

Take insurance, for example, something that's been corrupt and existed for a long time. It's about time the Government stepped in, they should have taken larger steps and just liquidated these other companies and done things sooner. Anything that's looked at like an 'asset' or 'protection' needs to use the Democratic strategy. Not the Conservative one.

Our Military Tech Spending? Conservative Spending Strategies.
Space Exploration? Conservative Spending Strategies.
Manufacturing? Conservative Spending Strategies.
Special Services Training? Conservative Spending Strategies.

These ideas don't change when Democrats are elected, and the complaint the Democrats have mirroring the spending of Conservatives, is that Conservatives don't 'mirror' Democratic behavior and allow any breaks to social programs while they hold office. It's a moronic complaint, but that's the jist of the argument. The Democrats try to meet 'half way' every election, and the only reason they're ever elected at all is when the people are 'convinced' Republicans won't honor social programs. This isn't a spot they want to be in with the public.

This is the pickle of the Democratic Party, they WANT these social programs, but even they themselves CAN SEE that their party consistently holding office obliterates our economy. What they really want is the Conservatives to take the wheel, hold office, but honor forefronts on programs the Liberals harp about the most. It's honestly not a bad peace offering considering how often Democrats are elected and things go bad.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Where does the money come from?

Taxes.

Correct. I'll fast forward a bit. The taxes are raised by people spending and/or earning money. That money comes from commerce. Either a person spends money and it gets taxed, or a person earns money by creating a good or performing a service that is purchased.

How did the workers get to their jobs? How did the customer who purchase the good or service get that purchase to their home or other location? How did the company receive their raw materials to produce the good or service?

Hint: this ties back to my first question on this thread.

Just for the record, I'm pretty sure everyone knows the answers to all these questions. Are you actually planning to make a point? I mean, is there a thesis statement here somewhere?

Go ahead and write the rest of it down then, if you know where I'm going.

I don't know where you're going, but I sure wish you'd get there already. First you say I can't go on vacation because Phage is using the roads for a surf contest, and now this....

I'd rather you think about it instead of being spoonfed. Studies show people have greater understanding and retention if they have to expend effort instead of it being explained with an internet meme or bumper sticker. If you don't like it, ignore my posts.

What color is a canary?

a reply to: Phage

Trump's Tax Records Show He May Have Understated His Salary by Millions to the IRS

Good.

More people should.

a reply to: imjack
Wait.
You all but said that nasty, nasty word.

Moderate.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: imjack
Wait.
You all but said that nasty, nasty word.

Moderate.

Trump is more moderate than Hillary. I consider this as LBGT, and every other candidate he competes against in the RNC is a mix between American History X and Deliverance. Trump complimented(He also insulted her, but the guy obviously has a confused notion of women and "Perfect PC") a Transgender contestant of his own Miss Universe contest after a tiny bit of controversy. Compare this to his VP who literally is signing the bathroom bills, and well, it gets complicated from there whats really going on. I just don't feel I've ever seen this before, where a running mate is considerably different than the others views. Pence is not a moderate. He wants that to be known.

a reply to: imjack

I thought you were talking economic rather than social.

a reply to: Phage

oh well the economic is more obvious. trump ripping down obama care? yeah great. so the last 8 years was?...

if a Republican accepted a social program like that, America would let them do all the shady international deals they want.

I'm calling False Flags on this.
Sorry Phage, probably wasn't your fault.

Less than a few hours ago, this thread was under 60-ish flags. Now it's suddenly 122?

I've been watching how stuff gets flagged around here for years, every day. Most days of the week you'd need a mega-event to generate 100 flags this quickly. Historic mass shooting, massive quake or war declared, something like this.

But "Trump Maybe screwed up his taxes"?
Gimme a break. Especially considering ATS is roughly 60-65% pro Trump, and the sheer number of flags?

Someone went and got their "usually not signed in buddies" to all log in and flag this.

I'd even suggest the mods check and see if 10 or more of those flags were made by brand new accounts made just today.

What's the purpose of flagging if it can be so obviously faked? Considering we have someone using dummy accounts here.

Granted, if everyone is legit, I consider it fair that someone got established but offline buddies to get on and flag this, but that's a very rare occurrence with this volume. It's still cheesy, but within the rules.

I am so freaking skeptical of the sudden 60 flags so extremely quickly over what is a very typical left vs right hit piece, a speculative one at that.

I'm not buying it.
Can we get a recount??

a reply to: muzzleflash

Prime time?

Ok. Everybody unflag this thread!

a reply to: Phage

i actually haven't flagged it yet, should I wait, or?

originally posted by: Phage
One of my concerns about Trump's tax return that occured to me soon after it was leaked was, if he lost so much money how could he lead the lavish lifestyle he does?

I came across an interesting article:

Trump's Tax Records Show He May Have Understated His Salary by Millions to the IRS

It doesn’t seem to add up. Just one example of where Trump’s tax returns seem to conflict with reality: the Republican presidential candidate told the IRS and New York state tax officials that he collected a mere $6,108 in “wages, salaries, tips, etc.” in 1995. Yet, according to financial reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, that same year Trump received $583,333 in compensation from the then-named Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, the company Trump had taken public in the middle of that year. The figure comes from a proxy statement that the company filed in early 1996. The payment is clearly listed as salary for 1995, and it appears to have been paid directly from the company to Trump, and not through one of the corporate entities he controls.

fortune.com...


Come on Donald. Let's see your tax returns. Ease our worried minds.

He had a billion dollars worth of losses, and it's all within the tax code, especially considering he is audited annually, if there was anything improper they would have found and reported it.


Capital loss carryover is 100% legal. Being able to deduct losses in future years is absolutely critical for capitalism. For capitalism to work, you have to have people investing and taking losses when it matters. Not being able to carry-over your capital loss is going to discourage risk-taking, and also stop businesses from admitting a loss. Businesses might not make that investment, as it will be more expensive. Or continuing a bad investment, as taking the loss is less advantageous to a business.

The only reason this is news is that its almost a billion dollars and the media says it is. And people don't know how capitalism works.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I think the Trump supporters are just more vocal.
It will be the same in the election when Clinton wins a landslide.
Trump supporters will then cry cheat. (They will we all know it).

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
a reply to: muzzleflash

I think the Trump supporters are just more vocal.
It will be the same in the election when Clinton wins a landslide.
Trump supporters will then cry cheat. (They will we all know it).

A landslide huh? Not if she's giving up on Ohio.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

He had a billion dollars worth of losses,

Operating losses are reported separately from salaries and wages. You didn't actually read the OP, did you?

especially considering he is audited annually,

Actually the letter from his attorney says:

Your personal tax returns have been under continuous examination by the Internal Revenue Service since 2002

This return is from 1995 and did you notice that the word "audit" is not mentioned? Those tricky attorneys.
assets.donaldjtrump.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: muzzleflash

Prime time?

Ok. Everybody unflag this thread!

Like I said man, it's rare to hit 122 so quick unless it's like this huge crazy ordeal.

This is like run of the mill mudslinging.

Stuff like this might hit 75 flags (ish) after building up for days. Considering the thread didn't die of course.

Look, it's nothing personal. You're been around here long enough, even you ought to admit 122 is a big huge surprise considering all the factors.

I'm just a skeptic, you helped me facilitate that skeptical gut instinct, that hunch. You, over years of skepticism rubbed off on me. Now I'm applying it.

I'd be utterly blown away if this wasn't a false flag operation. Hahah...

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Trump doesn't want to win. He is losing on purpose pity so many are blinded by the orange glow and can not see this.
Clinton and Trumpy are pals can you deny this?.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
a reply to: muzzleflash

I think the Trump supporters are just more vocal.
It will be the same in the election when Clinton wins a landslide.
Trump supporters will then cry cheat. (They will we all know it).

A landslide huh? Not if she's giving up on Ohio.

Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 2 percentage points in Ohio, according to a new Monmouth University poll there. Not long ago, that would have qualified as a minor miracle for Clinton, who had trailed Trump by as much as 5 points in Ohio in a series of polls conducted in mid-September. But with her national position having improved considerably since the presidential debate, it’s not surprising. (Although, some people had already put Ohio firmly in Trump’s column.) fivethirtyeight.com...

a reply to: muzzleflash

False flag.
I got it the first time.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Phage making a thread does that. Also flags do not mean people agree with the op.

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
a reply to: muzzleflash

I think the Trump supporters are just more vocal..

It's roughly the same in terms of vocality.

I'm talking about flagging, an anonymous ability.

I watch ATS often, especially in recent months. I noticed an anomaly here. A very glaring one. An external force acted here that is outside of the typical norm. I'm very curious about that.