VP Debate for the Less Polite

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Konduit

That's what you think? Kaine just exposed the fact that even Pence can't explain ANY of the crazy/stupid things that Trump says. I'm not sure Pence would even vote for Trump if he wasn't his VP.

Yes, I'm not sure Pence would vote for Trump either, but I knew he won with the public. What Kaine doesn't get is that Trump, by constantly contradicting himself, is no longer judged by what he says but by what people believe he will do (by projecting their own wants on to him.)

It's pretty brilliant even if accidental. His rants are like your drunk uncle on New Years that no one takes seriously. His supporters believe he will do what they hope he will do regardless of how he might contradict himself. wild... He needs no policy because it lives in the imaginations of his supporters.

The Russia issue was a big eye opener here. How many on ATS have defended Trump saying he will have good relations with Putin while Hillary is threatening war, and here in this debate, Pence says Trump/Pence will be tougher on Russia then Hillary has been.

a reply to: AudioOne

When you have a strong leader like Putin is, you need to deal from a position of strength. Appeasement does not work. Right now, we're being appeasing and conciliatory. Putin has no real belief that we mean what we say, so he knows he can make more or less whatever moves he wants and get away with them.

The precedent was set early on when Obama said he would let the UN Sec. Council decide what to do when Russia invaded Georgia during a debate. Well, of course, the Sec. Council wouldn't do anything ... Russia is on it. As if they were ever going to vote to sanction themselves!

Then there was the red line moment in Syria and similar.

Putin has no need to believe Obama in anything. Hillary was a part of that for the first part of his administration. Why do you believe she is threatening war? If anything, war would come because no one believes she will do anything to stand up for us and so someone will get big for their britches. We're already being pushed now because no one thinks we'll fight back.

It's the weak members of the herd, the old and the sick, who get picked off and picked on. The strong do not. We need someone strong.

a reply to: theantediluvian

What can I say. Well, I guess the truth.

I would prefer Trump drop and vote Pence into office. He is more Presidential than all of these other clowns.

originally posted by: primespickle
The colors are interesting.

During these debates both Clinton and Kaine wore red, and both Trump and Pence wore blue ties.

To me that seems weird because Democrats are supposed to be blue and Republicans red.

Are they doing something psychological?

For most countries.

Democracy = blue

Communism = red

For some reason is the US red is associated with republicans.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: theantediluvian

What can I say. Well, I guess the truth.

I would prefer Trump drop and vote Pence into office. He is more Presidential than all of these other clowns.

There were two or three in the primaries I felt that way about. Sadly, my one vote could not overrule the rest of the electorate.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed. Didn't this also happen in the debate on Monday?

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

They used to switch out the colors every year. It was tradition. That ended around the Reagan years when they basically stuck the right on red and left it alone. It was a media thing.

I don't know why the campaigns are swapping out this year. Maybe Hillary wasn't to signal her true political allegiance?

a reply to: JinMI

It did. I noticed too, but I thought it was a fluke or something. Plus, that poor dead scarlet couch that died to make Hillary's Chairman Mao coat, deserved better than that.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: primespickle
The colors are interesting.

During these debates both Clinton and Kaine wore red, and both Trump and Pence wore blue ties.

To me that seems weird because Democrats are supposed to be blue and Republicans red.

Are they doing something psychological?

For most countries.

Democracy = blue

Communism = red

For some reason is the US red is associated with republicans.

Red represents Power

Blue represents Calm and in Control.

Really not connected to the party colors.

Here's a website for you:

In high-stakes politics and business, there are only two colors of ties: red and blue. Oh, sure, you might spot purple or yellow now and then, but those are clear statements of aloofness, be they calculated or careless. www.livescience.com...

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: theantediluvian

What can I say. Well, I guess the truth.

I would prefer Trump drop and vote Pence into office. He is more Presidential than all of these other clowns.

There were two or three in the primaries I felt that way about. Sadly, my one vote could not overrule the rest of the electorate.

Yes, it really sucks that I have to vote for such a terrible choice because the consequences and risks of the other clown on my / our financial and physical well being are to great to ignore.

a reply to: ketsuko

I got a chuckle out of that.

a reply to: ketsuko

You reply was more like Pence's reply tonight.

What I've seen on ATS from some however is the belief that secretly this admin have been extremely tough on Russia backing them into a corner while publicly appearing soft. Setting up pro-Western puppets in the Ukraine which left Putin no choice but to make a move, making the ME a hellhole in Russia's own backyard, using ISIS to stop an oil pipeline which would have benefited Russia, setting up trade deals and the TPP to isolate Russia and keep Western dominance, and finally authorizing the use of limited nukes that can be scaled to useful levels. Also having Russia surrounded and possibly attempting a coup in Turkey. Another words, we looked soft to the public eye but underneath we were kicking Putin's ass. Another words, the complete opposite of what you and Pence stated tonight.

That's the discourse that I've been seeing. Your scenario of Obama being soft has been stated about Iran but not Russia. The consensus that I've been seeing was that we were backing Russia into a corner threatening real war and that Trump would make peace by being the nice guy. At least that's what I seem to have been seeing.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

They used to switch out the colors every year. It was tradition. That ended around the Reagan years when they basically stuck the right on red and left it alone. It was a media thing.

I don't know why the campaigns are swapping out this year. Maybe Hillary wasn't to signal her true political allegiance?

Whoa they used to alternate it? So until Reagan they switched it around.

Go on wikipedia and check.

Most socialist/communist parties use red(with a star and/or hammer and sickle). Democratic parties use blue.

Oh and Tim Kaine got smashed...bad.

Was laughing at Mike Pence's passive jabs. Tim Kaine is not an attack dog type of person.It doesn't really look like Tim Kaine was the type of vicious debater pence is.

I disagree on his abortion stance. Imprisoning people is not the answer. The state should stay far away from abortion and marriage.

Do you feel that boys?

a reply to: Konduit

I think you're avatar's cute.

You do know the Frog artist endorsed Hillary, right?

Just a side note

a reply to: Annee

Pepe has become more than just one man. We are not few and far between, we are many. WE ARE LEGION.

Interesting little tidbit

Tim Kaine Winning the Search War

As the vice presidential debate wrapped tonight, Senator Tim Kaine edged his fellow candidates as the most searched running mate in the past hour. www.nbcnews.com...

Did either of them answer ANY of the moderators questions? They ran roughshod over her all night. Both came off as not very respectful of her. That makes right hand person Kaine look even worse.

My God, did Kaine even once not interrupt Pence? Almost before Pence would say three words, Kaine was interrupting.

Pence put Kaine into tail between his legs mode when he compared their ggovernorships.

Kaine had too many little stock phrases the Clinton Camp must have rehearsed him on, they ccam across flat to me.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Annee

Pepe has become more than just one man. We are not few and far between, we are many. WE ARE LEGION.

I like his hat