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originally posted by: Sillyolme
This was the problem with the OJ case.
DNA investigation and identification was still pretty new and the jurors were convinced by the defense that the blood sample having been stepped in had been compromised somehow.
It doesn't but DNA was little understood by the average person because it was new.
Now we know and understand much more about how exclusive DNA is in identifying a person. It's use in some very high profile murder cases and it's wide spread use in crime tv shows has given the common man a workable understanding of it.
Now we need even less of a sample to ID someone. They can now pick up DNA from a person having simply touched an item. They can even separate two different people if their blood becomes mixed.
If DNA evidence didn't match this man than short of corruption along the chain of command I'd say he was not guilty.
originally posted by: thinline
sounds like an interesting article
Side question:
If he turned in different set of clothes, then what purpose would it serve, why not send them to get tested? Like you said, not sending them in, makes it look like a "cover up".
originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Rezlooper
To answer the DNA question...to be so cocky and confident about DNA evidence clearing him, he obviously had made plans in advance of the alleged rape...which of course makes the crime even worse, as it would now become premeditated.
originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Rezlooper
If I were planning to rape someone, and i knew in advance that i may become a suspect...DNA could literally divert attention away from myself, and essentially eliminate me from Police enquiries...the easy way to do this of course, is to substitute the DNA.
What's required?
A Patsy. A semen sample (best), failing aquiring a semen sample, blood, hair (pubic if possible) and saliva.
How does one obtain someone else's 'samples'? Use your imagination.
A prostitute could easily aquire sperm, nicely contained in a condom which can very easily be planted inside the Woman intended to be the victim after the rape, especially if that victim is drugged or / and drunk. Literally, the 'patsy' DNA can be left for the Police rape team to find and retrieve during the physical / medical examination of the Victim and their underwear and bed linen etc.
Since that wonderful Human being you speak of has a what we could call a checkered history regarding his narrow escapes from justice, having been charged with numerous violent assaults, and allegations of sexual assaults..it's certain his actual DNA is on file.
What do you think a Police investigator is going to think, when the DNA, found within the victim's body and on underwear and sheets etc, doesn't belong to the local official?
He will immediately be eliminated from the enquiries...and will probably get away scott free...while the poor sap who had his 'sample' stolen during an encounter with a Prostitute (for one example..there are many ways of course) may at some point be fitted up for the rape, if and when he has his DNA randomly taken at some point in the future, if it's not on file already.
This is one way to get away with a crime, who's detection relies heavily on DNA evidence. There are other ways.
One simply has to become creative in one's thinking, and get your mind out of the box labelled 'normal life'.
originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Rezlooper
And you say this guy has been elected? With all of those criminal charges hanging over his name?
What the hell is wrong with you Americans...ok, some of you Americans?
Good luck with your story.
originally posted by: audubon
First off, there is no way on God's Earth that someone grappling with someone else in close proximity and partially unclothed would not leave DNA on that other person or their clothing. Period. People have been identified by leaving a single droplet of sweat at a crime scene, see for example: www.telegraph.co.uk...
So you can abandon that speculation straight away. If he did it, then this guy's DNA was on the woman, and hers was on him, and quite probably in significant amounts. And that's the end of that.
This bit of your OP isn't clear: "they cleared the suspect of any DNA contribution and that the DNA of sometimes two and even four male individuals could be detected."
"Sometimes" four? It was either four or two, there's no 'sometimes' involved.
The assumption that the other DNA sources (however many there were) were the victim's children is probably unsound. If the report doesn't explicitly state that the kids were identified as the sources, then they almost certainly weren't. But you need to verify this with the Sheriff's office and preferably with the victim herself too.
My feeling on this (a professional hunch) is that the case was dropped because the (x) number of other males who left DNA on the victim were non-family and therefore strangers. This could (n.b.) indicate other sexual partners on the same day, and if the victim has said in her statement that this is the case, then the solution is obvious.
That is to say they don't think they have a chance of obtaining a conviction due to the victim's perceived (n.b.) promiscuous behavior muddying the evidential waters. Yes, it's unfair, and horribly so, but this often happens.
So yes, his DNA was on her. But DNA on its own isn't enough to convict. Ignore the evidence of him being at the scene, that's redundant. He didn't admit to rape (well, he wouldn't would he?) but said they'd had consenting sex, and she had to admit having sex with other men the same day. The totality of the evidence mitigates against obtaining a conviction and that's why the case was dropped.
That would be my working theory, and the only way to finally substantiate or exclude it would be to speak to the arrestee, the victim, and the Sheriff's office. Perhaps also the DNA laboratory. You might find that simply talking to these people wraps everything up neatly in a very speedy fashion... which makes me wonder why you haven't already taken those steps.
originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: Rezlooper
I don't know much about the science of DNA, but I am familiar with the all the things that can be done to hide, destroy, or simply mishandle evidence while in the hands of law enforcement. The simple fact that evidence that some one points to is not even considered by law enforcement, leaves me thinking that your politician is going to have some big favors called in soon at his expense.
For me the clues as to what is going on is the amount of witness testimony and prior offenses, and how other similar cases have been treated. How many arrests and prosecutions have happened in your neck of the woods based on what you have concerning this elected official? Are there conviction patterns? If you find cases that resemble his and they are dropped based on the same criteria you won't have much to go on absent some physical evidence.
Interesting case you have. I worked with folks in the Texas prison system that were appealing Pro Se, and I learned to look at patterns in prosecutions. It paid off for a couple of inmates, and I got to see what really goes on behind the curtain of the Texas Just-Us system. I shall keep an eye on your thread.
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Maybe the evidence was contaminated and they dont want to admit they made a #### up. Look at who did the sampling...Join the dots.
Was the correct protocols for keeping DNA free from contamination followed.? Ask for the DNA report. There must be one.
originally posted by: Rezlooper
Is there anyway the nurse could have screwed it up?
could it be that he really is innocent?
I'm no DNA expert and I was hoping that some of the smart folks here at ATS who are familiar with the science of DNA could help me out on this one. Thanks in advance.