Is the Illuminati good or evil

a reply to: artistpoet

despite the debate on the existence of illuminati, i find the idea behind illuminati quite fascinating. there can be no form of governments possible without minor drawbacks. advantage can be taken off the laws enforced by the government. in such condition the secret organisations like illuminati(though illegal) can help maintain the perfect order in the world.also illuminati is not the first of its kind. this ideology started when humans turned social.

What seems good or evil depends largely on where one is standing at the time.

a reply to: artistpoet

The Illuminati was founded right around the same time that the United States was created. Is that just a coincidence?

originally posted by: drewcos
The Illuminati was founded right around the same time that the United States was created. Is that just a coincidence?

Yes, because neither one had anything to do with the other.

there is a lot about illuminati, books and movies but i think the main problem is that they are enclosed in their works so no one can see their true face

a reply to: artistpoet

It's a good question.

Perhaps they do have a utopia planned and the only way to make that omelette is to break a few eggs.

Port Arthur makes me question this a lot.
It was an obvious false flag event that killed innocent people.

It saved a lot more lives however.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: drewcos
The Illuminati was founded right around the same time that the United States was created. Is that just a coincidence?

Yes, because neither one had anything to do with the other.

And you know this how?

There's a huge difference between the Freemasons and the Illuminati.

Several Freemasons claim that the Illuminati infiltrated them, and the masons were always on the lookout for these folks because their views were supposedly quite different from the masonic philosophy.

While the Freemasons think of themselves as an open fraternity with secrets, the Illuminati is a true secret society.

That's the reason why nobody outside the Illuminati knows much of anything about the Illuminati, other than the fact that at several points in the history of mankind there were groups calling themselves by such a name, like alumbrados or illuminatos, etc..and this was because the "secret ones" that walk the earth deliberately left a "calling card" for reference to the members that would come later.

Everytime you ask a Freemason about the "symbols" used by the United States, on the Seal, on the Dollar Bill, etc.. and the Mason says that these are not masonic symbols, you've got a hint that its the Illuminati that's really behind those things. The Mason know nothing about them.

originally posted by: AMPTAH
And you know this how?

Because I'm smart.

Several Freemasons claim that the Illuminati infiltrated them...

Yeah, in Bavaria, which, last time I checked a map, was not in the United States.

...the Illuminati is a true secret society.

If that were the case then how could someone such as yourself claim to know anything about them?

Everytime you ask a Freemason about the "symbols" used by the United States, on the Seal, on the Dollar Bill, etc.. and the Mason says that these are not masonic symbols, you've got a hint that its the Illuminati that's really behind those things. The Mason know nothing about them.

The Bavarian Illuminati did not use any of those symbols, they used a circumpunct and an owl.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Because I'm smart.

And yet, there are lots of smart people who admit there are things even they don't know.

Yeah, in Bavaria, which, last time I checked a map, was not in the United States.

I didn't know good old George Washington was concerned about those folks over in Bavaria,,

Washington Warned: Illuminati Infiltrating American Revolution

If that were the case then how could someone such as yourself claim to know anything about them?

Maybe because I too am smart, so I can know things.

The Bavarian Illuminati did not use any of those symbols, they used a circumpunct and an owl.

Ah! The wise owl that sees in the dark. I'm familiar with him.

originally posted by: AMPTAH
And yet, there are lots of smart people who admit there are things even they don't know.

This isn't one of those cases or topics.

I didn't know good old George Washington was concerned about those folks over in Bavaria.

Washington Warned: Illuminati Infiltrating American Revolution

Love that source.

The title says 'A letter from our nation’s first president and commander general of the American Revolutionary War written in 1798 affirms that he knew the Illuminati, based in Europe, had arrived on American shores.'

But Washington's letter actually says, 'It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation).

Maybe because I too am smart, so I can know things.

You using that crap source demonstrates otherwise.

Ah! The wise owl that sees in the dark. I'm familiar with him.

If you are actually interested in learning about the Bavarian Illuminati and not the conspiratard version of them you would read Terry Melanson's book about them. He is actually a member here.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
But Washington's letter actually says, 'It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

So, Washington says he is satisfied of the fact that the "Illuminati exist", and that their doctrines "somehow" had spread in the "United States."

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation).

And that it was Washington's belief, that the Free Masons themselves, as Societies, were not responsible for the spread of the Illuminati doctrines.

In other words, the Freemasons and the Illuminati both exist, and are not the same, they are separate and distinct societies, with differing ideologies and philosophies.

And that if there were any Freemasons responsible for the Illuminati ideology spreading, they did not do so with the approval or sanction of "Institutional Freemasonry", and must have been Illuminati infiltrators corrupting the "craft".

a reply to: AMPTAH

I'm not sure where your confusion lies, the Bavarian Illuminati never left Bavaria (which is in Germany). Terry's book clearly lays out the evidence, via communications between Weishaupt et. al., that details there correspondence regarding the Bavarian Illuminati's spread in Bavaria and eventual extinguishment. There is zero evidence, as corroborated by Washington, that the arrived in America (which is not in Germany). Read the book, it is the most detailed account of the Bavarian Illuminati available and is extensively footnoted.

And for what it's worth, the Bavarian Illuminati were anti-monarch and anti-Vatican, so it isn't like they were the bad guys.