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originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Annee
Don't you have to have a conviction before you can be pardoned?
Don't you have to have facts of criminal activity before you can even charge someone? Let alone get a conviction?
Would you agree with these facts?
1. Congress subpoenaed Clintons emails.
2. Clinton aware of the subpoenas purposely deleted the emails.
3. Clinton advised some people involved to ignore congressional requests for statements.
4. Clinton advised people involved to take the fifth so as not to tell on her.
5. Clinton in doing this obstructed justice.
Show me the official charges.
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
Would you agree with these facts?
1. Congress subpoenaed Clintons emails.
2. Clinton aware of the subpoenas purposely deleted the emails.
3. Clinton advised some people involved to ignore congressional requests for statements.
4. Clinton advised people involved to take the fifth so as not to tell on her.
5. Clinton in doing this obstructed justice.
originally posted by: UnBreakable
originally posted by: Annee
Don't you have to have a conviction before you can be pardoned?
Don't you have to have facts of criminal activity before you can even charge someone? Let alone get a conviction?
Nope. Ford pardoned Nixon, who was never convicted.
The leading Supreme Court case is Ex parte Garland (1867). Justice Stephen J. Field, writing for the Court in a 5-4 decision, held that the President's pardoning power is ''unlimited,'' and ''It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.''
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Annee
Don't you have to have a conviction before you can be pardoned?
Don't you have to have facts of criminal activity before you can even charge someone? Let alone get a conviction?
Would you agree with these facts?
1. Congress subpoenaed Clintons emails.
2. Clinton aware of the subpoenas purposely deleted the emails.
3. Clinton advised some people involved to ignore congressional requests for statements.
4. Clinton advised people involved to take the fifth so as not to tell on her.
5. Clinton in doing this obstructed justice.
Show me the official charges.
Didn't you ask for facts?
Do you agree with those facts?
Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
originally posted by: xuenchen
Constitution Allows Pardons Before Conviction
The leading Supreme Court case is Ex parte Garland (1867). Justice Stephen J. Field, writing for the Court in a 5-4 decision, held that the President's pardoning power is ''unlimited,'' and ''It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.''
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Annee
Don't you have to have a conviction before you can be pardoned?
Don't you have to have facts of criminal activity before you can even charge someone? Let alone get a conviction?
Would you agree with these facts?
1. Congress subpoenaed Clintons emails.
2. Clinton aware of the subpoenas purposely deleted the emails.
3. Clinton advised some people involved to ignore congressional requests for statements.
4. Clinton advised people involved to take the fifth so as not to tell on her.
5. Clinton in doing this obstructed justice.
originally posted by: FlyingFox
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Annee
Don't you have to have a conviction before you can be pardoned?
Don't you have to have facts of criminal activity before you can even charge someone? Let alone get a conviction?
Would you agree with these facts?
1. Congress subpoenaed Clintons emails.
2. Clinton aware of the subpoenas purposely deleted the emails.
3. Clinton advised some people involved to ignore congressional requests for statements.
4. Clinton advised people involved to take the fifth so as not to tell on her.
5. Clinton in doing this obstructed justice.
Except "Clinton" didn't do it, subordinates did, who were granted immunity. The End.
It'd be nice to know when they started using those rules, or if those rules change with every President