Weather Warfare Assault, A Physician Speaks Out

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: TerryDon79

The thing about it is... even 'if' they weren't putting chemtrails into the sky, they're putting them into the food chain and the air via transportation and chemical plant waste etc. Wouldn't the rain carry it up spread it around and back again?

Thank you for making this point. I've often wondered the same. Sewage sludge is the current big seller by cities. The name of the brand in my city is "Dillo Dirt". They filter out all the pathogens and heavy metals but not all the pharmaceuticals and viruses. People pour it on their lawns along with weed and feed, round-up, etc.

But to the topic at hand I have been a long time listener of a organic gardening radio show that has been running for 34 years here in Austin. They have noticed changes too.

Just last weekend Jeff Ferris mentioned that trees and plants have not been following the standard even allowing for rain changes. He said they're out of season, budding at the wrong time, dropping leaves at the wrong time. He didn't know the cause and this is the guy that along with all the botanists at his nursery uses microscopes and sends samples to universities for answers. They know their stuff, and they are stumped.

All the naysayers need to give the answers to what is causing all the disruption of plant cycles and probably people too instead of just saying "that's not it". Well if not what is causing all the problems?

Checkout the podcasts, last Sunday is good.

www.newsradioklbj.com...

STM

a reply to: TerryDon79

I wouldn't jump the gun just yet on it. There's always been polution, that's not new, however... custom created chemicals to the extent that we see today, didn't exist unless there were ancient aliens spraying it around. Oh or maybe we're just holograms after all, who needs barium in the skies right, We have it in us!

a reply to: seentoomuch

He said they're out of season, budding at the wrong time, dropping leaves at the wrong time.

There are some indications that climates are changing.
Some people don't think so.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: Bedlam

I could see them having technology though that we're not privy to. I mean it's a conspiracy site which is why people come because they don't believe the experts are all telling it like it really is. I find it interesting though your mention about the aerospace company though, i could see that happening. Is it the same company who created Aero Gel?

Aerogels have been around since the 30's.

This i did not know, thanks for that. I actually thought it was new. I saw an article on aerogel a few yrs ago, possibly back in the late 90's.

What made me laugh a little was the fact that the President decided it was unethical, seeing as Chimera's and Gene Splicing humans with animals apparently isn't to him.

This would be ancient history to you - the President was Bush the Elder. What we got through the grapevine was that he considered it to be unnecessary, unethical and somewhat offensive. I suppose the full-blown deal would have really set him off could they have gotten it to work the way they wanted. It was a CA/POC project from hell, they're usually incredibly boring and crappy but this would have been worth doing just for the lulz.

Thanks for that, i should have asked which President it was who said it. Yes it would be been interesting fore sure!

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: elementalgrove

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
OMG!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Did you even read what you linked to?!

The crux of the article is about CLOUD SEEDING. That's not even remotely chemtrails lol.

And then there's "case orange". I can understand if you believe in chemtrails if you believe in THAT.

I love that you believe that they could not be one and the same!

It is not as if there have ever been any kind of nefarious covert operations that have slipped past the ever diligent researcher, such as yourself

a reply to: seentoomuch

I see that you are not listening to our resident authorities on how it is absolutely impossible for there to be any kind of strange activity happening in these persistent "contrails"!

As they have painstakingly noted, if the scientific community has a consesnsus about a topic, it would be blasphemy to go against it, clearly things like Morgellons disease have no basis in concrete reality, we will simply ignore that and the strange environmental issues that you have pointed out!

Nothing to see hear folks, your government is only here to help you!

a reply to: elementalgrove

Cloud seeding takes place at quite low altitudes, where you have, you know, clouds that you can seed.

Cirrus isn't all that seedable for rain, since it's ice crystals.

Given that "chemtrails" are effectively cirrus formations, cloud seeding and 'chemtrails' can't be the same.

originally posted by: seentoomuch

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: TerryDon79

The thing about it is... even 'if' they weren't putting chemtrails into the sky, they're putting them into the food chain and the air via transportation and chemical plant waste etc. Wouldn't the rain carry it up spread it around and back again?

Thank you for making this point. I've often wondered the same. Sewage sludge is the current big seller by cities. The name of the brand in my city is "Dillo Dirt". They filter out all the pathogens and heavy metals but not all the pharmaceuticals and viruses. People pour it on their lawns along with weed and feed, round-up, etc.

But to the topic at hand I have been a long time listener of a organic gardening radio show that has been running for 34 years here in Austin. They have noticed changes too.

Just last weekend Jeff Ferris mentioned that trees and plants have not been following the standard even allowing for rain changes. He said they're out of season, budding at the wrong time, dropping leaves at the wrong time. He didn't know the cause and this is the guy that along with all the botanists at his nursery uses microscopes and sends samples to universities for answers. They know their stuff, and they are stumped.

All the naysayers need to give the answers to what is causing all the disruption of plant cycles and probably people too instead of just saying "that's not it". Well if not what is causing all the problems?

Checkout the podcasts, last Sunday is good.

www.newsradioklbj.com...

STM

Thank you for this, your input is greatly appreciated I'm glad you mentioned this. There's definitely something going on, and it's not the Mandela effect! Independent researchers get little coverage and they're ignored by the conglomerates and paid government scientific researchers. It has happened in the archaeological field as well, and well, MEDIA has much to do with it. MARKETING is another, to humanity's misfortune.

Thanks for the link, i'll be sure to check that out!

a reply to: elementalgrove
Let's count the strawman arguments.

it is absolutely impossible for there to be any kind of strange activity happening in these persistent "contrails"!

One! One strawman argument!

if the scientific community has a consesnsus about a topic, it would be blasphemy to go against it,

Two! Two strawman arguments!

we will simply ignore that and the strange environmental issues that you have pointed out!

Three! Three strawman arguments!

your government is only here to help you!

Four! Four strawman arguments.

Awesome.

Not once has anyone put forth such a statement.

a reply to: Bedlam

Again it is nice that you think that the two would have to be mutually exclusive, yet if they wished to add chemicals to the cloud seeding programs, how would you know the difference.

And if they had done so would the neo-cloud seeing be able to be considered "Chemtrails", perhaps we could call it cloud seeding chemtrails for clarification!

Where is the line?

The intent is to increase precipitation (rain or snow) over a area. Cloud seeding involves spraying silver iodide and other toxic and carcinogenic (causing cancer or contributing to the causation of cancer) chemicals into clouds to induce rainfall. The spraying of this silver iodide is what we see on the ground as chemtrails

a reply to: Phage

I was not arguing with Seentoomuch, simply making my own comments and opinions in a facetious manner Phage!

Kind of mocking the die hard attitude that there is no way that there would ever be an insidious "chemtrail" program purported by the debunkers!

It is not as if evil US government experimentation has ever happened now! So to think that they would invest all that money in geoengineering and not attempt it is absurd fringe tin foil hat notions better left to the illiterate internet doom porners!

Worth noting from the above!

Showing once again that the U.S. always tends to test out worse-case scenarios by getting to them first and with the advent of biochemical warfare in the mid 20th century, the Army, CIA and government conducted a series of warfare simulations upon American cities to see how the effects would play out in the event of an actual chemical attack.

They conducted the following air strikes/naval attacks:

The CIA released a whooping cough virus on Tampa Bay, using boats, and so caused a whooping cough epidemic. 12 people died.

The Navy sprayed San Francisco with bacterial pathogens and in consequence many citizens developed pneumonia.

Upon Savannah, GA, and Avon Park, FL, the army released millions of mosquitoes in the hopes they would spread yellow fever and dengue fever. The swarm left Americans struggling with fevers, typhoid, respiratory problems, and the worst, stillborn children.

Even worse was that after the swarm, the Army came in disguised as public health workers.

Their secret intention the entire time they were giving aid to the victims was to study and chart-out the long term effects of all the illnesses they were suffering.

originally posted by: Phage
There are some indications that climates are changing.
Some people don't think so.

It's much more complex than that, Phage. We're adding to the changes by letting viruses and pharmaceuticals in some form rise into the air from all the crap commercial farming is using nowadays. My father was in the Chemcorp, his specialty was chem warfare in late WWII and the Korean War. He told me how it would rise into the atmosphere according to the weather conditions. If those chemicals did, why won't these? If it happens with mustard gas spreading from one field to another with the morning dew, what is spreading nowadays from all our industry and agricultural amendments? We really need to take a break and do some solid, non-biased studies to get to the truth.

Adding that onto our climate change, and yes, I believe it is changing, is a whole new science that we really need to get serious about in a non-biased way. No huge foundations involved, no pharmaceutical giants funding the studies, no Monsanto/Bayer, no politicians allowed studies, true unbiased studies. That's actually what I'd like to see my tax money spent on tbh.

I don't think it would change our climate but I do believe it would clean up our ill wind.

STM

a reply to: elementalgrove

So to think that they would invest all that money in geoengineering

All what money?

a reply to: elementalgrove

This is really just it, no one knows what line is being crossed. The thought of Chimeras was unthinkable 12 yrs ago, perhaps longer, but now it's occurring, and probably did before it was slowly introduced into the public mindset.

I only know that cancer is at an all time high now, along with diabetes along with other diseases, whereas at one time not so long ago, it wasn't. Too much too fast being spread or dumped by various means, and we've no idea what half of them are.

a reply to: awareness10

I only know that cancer is at an all time high now,

Which sort?

along with diabetes along with other diseases,

Chemtrails are making people obese?

a reply to: elementalgrove

neo-cloud seeding

a reply to: Phage

The kind that grows and doctors refer to as 'cancer'.

chemtrails? I only know that cancer is at an all time high now, along with diabetes.

No not all people with diabetes are obese, where did you get that idea Phage?

a reply to: awareness10

The kind that grows and doctors refer to as 'cancer'.

Ah.
So all types of cancer are at all time highs? Do you have some statistical evidence to support this claim?

No not all people with diabetes are obese, where did you get that idea Phage?

Where did you get the idea that I said that they are?

a reply to: Phage

Really now, you did not know about the involvement of eugenicists like Gates and others of the billionaire class?

According to statements of financial interests, Keith receives an undisclosed sum from Bill Gates each year, and is the president and majority owner of the geoengineering company Carbon Engineering, in which both Gates and Edwards have major stakes – believed to be together worth over $10m.

Another source for fun!

Geo-engineering (the deliberate large-scale manipulation of the environment to combat anthropogenic changes in atmospheric chemistry) has long been touted as a way to counteract the catastrophic effects of global warming, but has been considered dangerous by some as it interferes with the world’s delicate ecosystems. However the controversial practice has now received a boost from some of the wealthiest men in the world – including Microsoft founder Bill Gates. The group of billionaires has been funding a small team of leading climate scientists and are lobbying governments and international bodies to back geo-engineering experiments to avoid catastrophic climate change.

So there big plan is to dump sulfur dioxide throughout the atmosphere to save us from global warming! How benevolent!
Except for this...

Not as though any of these health concerns have been on the increase or anything!

Short-term exposure to high levels of sulfur dioxide in the air can be life-threatening by causing breathing difficulties and obstructing airways, especially for people with lung disease. Long-term exposure to persistent levels of sulfur dioxide can cause chronic bronchitis, emphysema, and respiratory illness. It can also aggravate existing heart disease.

When sulfur dioxide reacts with other chemicals in the air to form tiny sulfate particles, these particles can gather in the lungs and cause increased respiratory problems and difficulty breathing. Long-term exposure to sulfate particles can cause respiratory disease and even premature death.

Prolonged industrial exposure to sulfur dioxide may decrease fertility in men and women.

Breathing sulfur dioxide can irritate the nose, throat, and lungs, and cause coughing and shortness of breath. Short-term exposure to sulfur dioxide can cause stomach pain, menstrual disorders, watery eyes, inhibition of thyroid function, loss of smell, headache, nausea, vomiting, fever, convulsions, and dizziness.

Adults and children with asthma are sensitive to sulfur dioxide exposure, especially if they are active outdoors. Other people who are sensitive to sulfur dioxide are children, adults, and the elderly who have heart or lung disease.

a reply to: elementalgrove

So there big plan is to dump sulfur dioxide throughout the atmosphere to save us from global warming!

A plan. That means it's not happening, right?
But no, there is no such plan, but David Keith does think it needs to be studied in depth precisely because of the likelihood of unforeseen consequences. Before any action is contemplated.


You need to update your database.

We compute the potential increase in stratospheric water vapor and associated longwave radiative forcing. We find that the stratospheric heating calculated in this analysis indicates some materials to be substantially riskier than previous work. We also find that there are Earth-abundant materials that may reduce some principal known risks relative to sulfate aerosols.

keith.seas.harvard.edu...


And, just a general question, do you know where the stratosphere is?