Dutch Investigators Give Results of MH17 Probe to Families

A man whose daughter died when a Malaysia Airlines plane was shot down over Ukraine said families were told Wednesday that a Dutch-led investigation has found proof that a mobile Buk missile launcher had been moved into eastern Ukraine from Russia at the time.

Hans de Borst, whose 17-year-old daughter perished, said he and other family members were briefed privately Wednesday morning before a news conference scheduled to announce the preliminary results of the investigation.

Dutch Investigators Give Results of MH17 Probe to Families

It looks like after a long two plus year wait the families of the MH17 victims finally have some answers. Unsurprisingly, the JIT have found what many already suspected. A Russian-made BUK was moved into rebel held territory and fired upon the fated aircraft. The BUK then returned to Russia.

I say this paints a pretty damning picture. It would mean that Russia supplied the BUK and possibly personnel. It also means that Russia has been trying to impede the search for justice by throwing out misinformation and false information for the past two years. It also means that Almaz-Antey are complicit in this attempted cover up. It will be interesting to see if further sanctions are placed prior to an actual criminal trial.

I will try to update this thread as the actual report is released.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

That script still makes absolutely no sense...

The only people to benefit from such an action would be NATO.

Given their dark history of false flags with the infamous Operation Gladio and the horrific acts they were willing to take upon innocent civilians, I would not put it past them to be the actors behind this version of the story.

However the version of Russia, sneaking into the Ukraine, firing the BUK from rebel territory and then returning to Russia is just absurd with no strategic value other than giving NATO all the ammo they need to go after them and strengthen their already staggering levels of presence in the area.

What exactly would they have to gain by taking down the plane?

Nice and tidy propaganda piece here in my book...

a reply to: Xcalibur254

You know, none of this would have happened if the US, UK and other EU states hadn't decided to install a neo nazi puppet government resulting in the civil war for Ukraine.

Sure we can blame Russia, we can blame the rebels in the East but the cause of it all is down to our own governments meddling.

We (westerners) all have blood on our hands for allowing our governments to keep running these proxy wars

a reply to: elementalgrove

You're operating under the impression that it wasn't a mistake. The separatists already had a history of drowning downing Ukrainian military aircraft in the area. The simplest explanation is that they thought MH17 was a military transport. Once they realized their mistake they tried to get rid of the evidence.

a reply to: Discotech

Nobody was installed in Ukraine. Yanukovych betrayed the will of his people on to of stealing over a billion dollars. He was legally impeached. The people then elected a new president in an election that even Russia acknowledged as legitimate. An election that actually saw all far right parties lose most, if not all, they're seats.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: elementalgrove

You're operating under the impression that it wasn't a mistake. The separatists already had a history of drowning downing Ukrainian military aircraft in the area. The simplest explanation is that they thought MH17 was a military transport. Once they realized their mistake they tried to get rid of the evidence.

Just listened to the findings of the Dutch investigation there and I would have to agree with your statement. The evidence presented fits exactly with that scenario

Yeah, it definitely was an accident, no doubt in that.

The botox midget could at least offer an apology to the families, but he kept claiming that Russians had nothing to do with it.

What a scumbag

a reply to: Discotech

Sure we can blame Russia, we can blame the rebels in the East but the cause of it all is down to our own governments meddling.

Russia was losing its support and influence in Ukraine, period. Russia is committed to "defense in depth": they want a cordon of puppet states protecting their borders. If they cannot control Ukraine, they cannot permit it to join NATO. The chaos in Eastern Ukraine provides a slender buffer of aligned territory.

Personally I just see the setting up for WW3.. Hillary will be in the white house soon, Russia will be blamed for everything from know on and then it will be a waiting game before a major event happens and they can pull the trigger.

It is the innocent people such as those on that flight which are the cannon fodder at this time..

RA

a reply to: slider1982

Hillary will be in the white house soon, Russia will be blamed for everything from know on

Pretty sure you and 85% of ATS will be blaming Hillary for everything from now on.

Such a F Shame and they Russia will not own up. All this BS about NATO encroaching and a Puppet power set up BS all to cover corruptions in Russia and with Russian puppets. 200 + families know the sad truth. WAKE the F up Russia's and your cohort cronies here on ATS.

www.theguardian.com...

Flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine by a Buk missile brought across the border from Russia and fired from a village under the control of pro-Russian rebels, an international criminal investigation has said. In a press conference on Wednesday in Nieuwegein, in the Netherlands, the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) said there was conclusive evidence that a Buk 9M38 missile hit the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, killing all 298 people on board.

...I see a lot of people here have already formed their opinion that it was Russia. I am yet to see any proof. Saying that Dutch investigators have proof, does not ammount to proof. If they have it - show it to us, then we will talk. Proof that has not already been debunked countless times. Until then, having an oppinion based on nothing is utter ignorance, and placing blame based on ignorance is even worse.

a reply to: Velatropa24

The JIT presented their proof at a press conference earlier. The official report will be published later today. I am going to try to link to it as soon as its available. In the meantime here is the press release the JIT sent out.

JIT Press Release

Interestingly enough not even Sputnik have tried to spin this in anyway. They simply reported what was said.

a reply to: DJW001

Russia needs protection from NATO and the west. And so does any country that does not belong to that organization.

As it was said many times already, the west is pushing Ukraine to join NATO, which means they would have a NATO base near to Russian border, which is unacceptable, because of strategic reasons.

Which means, Russia does not want puppet states, they just want NATO to calm down, and instead focus on keeping that dead organization somewhat alive, and point their attention in cleaning the mess that they had started in Middle East.

As I've said when this terrible accident happened, why on earth would a commercial plane fly over a war zone is beyond my mind. It's a tragic accident, and that plane should have never been there in the first place

a reply to: Nikola014

If NATO was so dead set on courting Ukraine why did they deny their application in 2008? Georgia as well. Funny how these two states just so happened to be invaded by Russia.

NATO wasn't pushing these states to join. They wanted to join. NATO said no and a large part of that was due to how it would affect relations with Russia.

a reply to: Nikola014

NATO membership is not a done deal and is not likely to become one ant time soon . NATO seems to be willing to operate covertly and pick and choose when and why they choose to make moves . The Crimea was the pearl they were after but the referendum move made that a no way . You might find this piece a interesting read .

Hapless NATO Chief Jens Stoltenberg flew into Tbilisi last week, to wave his hands about like some kind of puppet while coming out with the same old pre-programmed message to the waiting Georgian public: “I cannot give the exact date of NATO membership as it depends on your progress”. journal-neo.org...

As for the Dutch report ,well like the 911 report it will have its believers but most people that look at the process and the final conclusions they put out will smell a Rat .

a reply to: Xcalibur254

You're right.

But one thing had changed. Russia. I'm sure we can all agree that Russia 8 ( eight ) years ago, is not the same as it is today. Back then, it was still struggling to find it's way back to where it belongs. What I mean by this, is that Russia was not as strong as it is today, and they were not a threat to the western establishment.

That's my point of view

What we see happening in the last couple of years, is NATO creating the devil out of Russia and scaring nearby countries of being invaded by them. Of course they would seek protection in NATO. That's why we see NATO moving a lot of troops in these countries.

But anyway that's off topic

Well, it didn't take long for Russia and the separatists to call foul. Russia is claiming that since Ukraine was involved in the investigation they must have falsified evidence. Even though they have no proof of such. The separatists are just claiming the conclusions are wrong with no basis.

Results of Dutch Probe Into MH17 Crash Confirm Investigation Was Biased

Donetsk Republic on JIT MH17 Report: 'The Conclusions Are Wrong'

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Nikola014

If NATO was so dead set on courting Ukraine why did they deny their application in 2008? Georgia as well. Funny how these two states just so happened to be invaded by Russia.

NATO wasn't pushing these states to join. They wanted to join. NATO said no and a large part of that was due to how it would affect relations with Russia.

Your not being 100% honest Russia has not invaded the Ukraine,sure there were elections in Crimea to rejoin Russia as far right nationalists started burning Russian leaning citizens in their country.Beating them to death when they jumped from the burning building set ablaze by muderous thugs while the local police looked the other way

Ukraine was not that long ago part of Russia so naturally there will be lots of Ukrainians who feel more Russian than the Kieve protestors and these people don't want the far right they rightly or wrongly see as Nazis rounding them up and getting rid of them

Russia didn't invade Georgia recently too,they responded to the Georgian government shelling citizens in their county they didn't like and naturally rolled in a brigade or two and instantly stopped the Georgian army in its place

Georgia is still an independent county and so is Ukraine.If Russia did invade them they would be Russian territory

I have looked at the press release. They claim a lot of things, but present no evidence. They base the main claim that the system came from russia and returned there on a supposed "phone conversation intercept" that they have found on social media which they themselves admit), and even at that, the conversation bares nothing conclusive and seems to be about the battle in Donetsk airport. That constitutes irrefutable evidence these days?

How about all the information which was ignored for a purpose, like the shape of the holes in the fuselage corresponding with the elements of an older version of buk which Russia has not used for a long time, however Ukraine does.

What ever happened to transcripts and testimonys from Ukrainian air traffic controllers, who magically disappeared?

Why was the plane there in the first place?

Why were most of the victims fb pages created on the same day not long prior to the crash?

Why were a lot of expired and pierced passports found at the crash site, and so on.

Why did another identical malasian airlines boeing 777 disappear a year prior and never found?

Sorry, but smells like an ordered investigation in which the result is determined before the investigation takes place. I'm not buying it. False flag all the way.

Propaganda, and nothing else.