Mainstream Islam Is The Antithesis Of Western Liberal Values (BY THE NUMBERS)

a reply to: fatkid

And what do these Bible quotes teach us?

It teaches us that no one follows that garbage anymore because Christianity long ago went through its own reformation. It changed when society and the world changed. Islam has been the same for 1400 years.

Let me know when hordes of Christians are throwing gays off of rooftops, slaughtering men, women, and children, raping women and girls and forcing them into sex slavery, and committing horrific acts of terrorism.

When that happens I will give your idiotic comment the credibility it lacks.

a reply to: projectvxn

Time they were dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century.

Suggestions? How about the ones that have been "civilized" and living in the west for several generations? Are they cool?

Oh wait, they get radicalized so I guess not. But then, there are those "Christians" who blow up government buildings and abortion clinics (which, ooops, wasn't an abortion clinic).

Suggestions?

a reply to: projectvxn

So if you claim the bible is not accurate, why follow it?

These are the laws of the bible, just because you choose not follow these laws does not make them gods laws.

It just means you choose not to follow them.

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Women Shall Not Speak

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Women's Sorrow

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Genesis 3:16)

Rip Up Pregnant Women

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)

The Wicked Woman

"Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman." (Eccles. 25:13)

"Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die." (Eccles. 25:22)

"If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce, and let her go." (Eccles. 25: 26)

"The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty." (Eccles. 26:9-10)

"A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued." (Eccles. 26:14-15)

"A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord." (Eccles.26:25)

"A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued." (Eccles. 26:14-15)

"A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord." (Eccles.26:25)

"For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach." (Eccles. 42:13-14)

Stone The Woman!

"If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;" (Deuteronomy 22:22)

"Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:24)

a reply to: fatkid

So if you claim the bible is not accurate, why follow it?

You're under the impression that I follow idiotic fairy tales.

a reply to: Phage

Islam is responsible for the vast majority of terrorism on the planet. End of.

Want to end religious extremism? End religion in general.

Want to be specific about the ONE religion giving the entire world problems? Stop trying to make false equivalence between corrupt 6th century philosophy and one who has gone through its reformation.

There's no such thing as radical Islam. Islam is Islam.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: projectvxn

Time they were dragged, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century.

Suggestions? How about the ones that have been "civilized" and living in the west for several generations? Are they cool?

Oh wait, they get radicalized so I guess not. But then, there are those "Christians" who blow up government buildings and abortion clinics (which, ooops, wasn't an abortion clinic).

Suggestions?

You can't really compare some 80's abortion bombings to 250,000,000 people killed in the name of Islam

a reply to: projectvxn

Want to end religious extremism? End religion in general.

Well, duh. But good luck with that.

There's no such thing as radical Islam. Islam is Islam.

A friend of mine recently told me he was reading the Koran. He's a pretty level headed fellow and wants to try to understand it. I need to ask him what he's learned.

You don't think the teaching and interpretation (which surely must be involved) have anything to do with the violence?

a reply to: projectvxn

It doesn't matter if you follow the doctrine or not, you are defending the ideology so that puts you in the position to provide substance.

this thread is about Islamic law, now about what you don't believe.

I'm pointing out that Islamic law isn't the only religious law that says the same thing.

a reply to: Phage

You don't think the teaching and interpretation (which surely must be involved) have anything to do with the violence?

Of course it does. But we are under the impression that the teaching that lead to terrorism exist in this vacuum where only "those crazies" do it. That isn't the case. Islam around the world is extremely conservative and believe the long held teachings of the Koran and the edicts of their Mullahs.

Those teachings are very much part of Islam and always have been. I fully realize that all Muslims aren't terrorists. But all Muslims believe the same ideology that Jihadists use to justify their terrorism. They are all reading the same Koran. For the US, this goes all the way back to the Barbary Wars. For the rest of the world, all the way to the Crusades.

What people need to understand is that Islam isn't just a religion. It's a political and socioeconomic philosophy. There is no room for law above the teachings of the Koran and the edicts of their priests. In the West we have all but subjugated religion to a secondary role to the rule of law. In Islamic society that would be considered heretical.

a reply to: projectvxn

There's no such thing as radical Islam. Islam is Islam.

There's no such thing as reformed Christianity, Christianity is Christianity

a reply to: fatkid

I'm pointing out that Islamic law isn't the only religious law that says the same thing.

Actions speak louder than words. You can quote Deuteronomy all day long. But unless you can cite examples of Christian terrorism at the scale of Islam then what is said is irrelevant.

a reply to: fatkid

There's no such thing as reformed Christianity, Christianity is Christianity

I enjoy your attempts at logic. But they are fallacies. False Equivalence.

Christianity is a dumb fairy tale. But it's followers are more likely to run a bake sale than they are to strap a bomb to their chests and blow up a cafe in Tel Aviv.

a reply to: projectvxn

Obvious islamaphobe is obvious

originally posted by: fatkid
a reply to: projectvxn

Obvious islamaphobe is obvious

Now starts the name calling.

So your logical fallacies have failed you.

You false equivalency strategy has failed you.

You bash Christianity and then have the gall to call someone else an Islamophobe? Is hypocrisy your new strategy here?

Nothing I said is irrational or wrong. It is backed up by facts. Something you'd have if you'd put down the fake outrage and looked at the data.

a reply to: projectvxn

What people need to understand is that Islam isn't just a religion. It's a political and socioeconomic philosophy.

As would Christianity be in the US if many had their druthers (and I know you are not defending Christianity).

Like I said, drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century would be great. Suggestions?

a reply to: projectvxn

Just thought I'd pop in and post this.

Non Muslims carried out 90% of terrorist attacks between 1980 and 2005

a reply to: TerryDon79
US stats.
I think the point is something different.

a reply to: projectvxn

It isn't name calling,

Humans can't dictate which of gods laws they wish to follow and they wish not to follow. Unless they choose to have a relationship outside of a mainstream religion, the theology of the God is claimed to be in the book that is given to the reader.

I didn't "bash" anyone, I simply posted bible verses. The only thing I typed was "I'll leave these bible verses here

Posting bible verses is bashing the religion?

Everything you said is irrational and wrong

a reply to: Phage

Like I said, drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century would be great. Suggestions?

There are already several Islamic organizations working toward that goal. But they are in danger. Both in the Middle East and in the West.

The Islamic Center for Democracy is one such organization that is trying to separate Islam from Political Islam. Separation of Mosque and State, as a dynamic first step.

We should be actively supporting these kinds of Islamic organizations if we are to ever see reform. We need to take their platform and use it in our government sponsored propaganda war in the ME.

There are very few who are trying to make that reformation happen. They need our support because they are just as much in danger for trying to drag Islam into the 21st century as you and I are for NOT being Muslims.

a reply to: Phage

The thread is about the "threat to the west". The biggest threat is the west itself.