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Religion allows the exertion of force on the masses by a select few, and this is even easier when the masses group together for worship, you only have to look at football, baseball, soccer, rugby etc to see this in operation to a lesser extent.
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
I would like to separate spiritual experience and religion since some people are spiritual (play around with energetic body states, are in bliss mode, play around with low level telepathy/synchronicity and out of body)
If we take energetic body state to mean "the anointment" then there are tools for a soul to achieve that regardless if you have one religion or another.
You could create a scientific theory that included quantum entanglement to explained how it is manifested if people wanted to.
Some people are further down the rabbit hole than others.
originally posted by: TheForgetting
a reply to: bobsa
Yes yes yesssss! I'm with you on this. I haven't gone so far to call it a conspiracy, but I used the term "distraction." These systems want you to give yourself over to another "higher" power. In essence, to give your power away. To make you believe you need to be dependent upon a higher power. To make you believe you are lower, unworthy, incomplete, broken. Lies for us to believe, so we break ourselves down.
I also began seeing that religion and anti-religion? (like satanists/christianty) are really the same, too. I liken it to one group fueling both/opposite sides of the war. Well, if you don't like this system, how about joining the anti-system? Give yourself over to that side instead. Either way, I find there are many systems that want you to give over your power/ your being/ your time, thoughts, energy, etc. So whether you're for the "good" side or the "bad" side, you've chosen a side and fallen to a belief that there is power "higher" than yourself.
I definitely see the common themes in all religion, which often leads people to think they're all on the right track. Which is somewhat true. I think there are grains of truth in all religions, but none is the ONLY way, and probably that none is even the "right" way.
For a final note, I believe that "God" and the "Devil" exist, but I do not believe they are the ultimate/infinite/initial creators of the universe. I somewhat want to expand on that thought, but think I will leave off here to keep this response "short."
originally posted by: bobsa
originally posted by: TheForgetting
a reply to: bobsa
Yes yes yesssss! I'm with you on this. I haven't gone so far to call it a conspiracy, but I used the term "distraction." These systems want you to give yourself over to another "higher" power. In essence, to give your power away. To make you believe you need to be dependent upon a higher power. To make you believe you are lower, unworthy, incomplete, broken. Lies for us to believe, so we break ourselves down.
I also began seeing that religion and anti-religion? (like satanists/christianty) are really the same, too. I liken it to one group fueling both/opposite sides of the war. Well, if you don't like this system, how about joining the anti-system? Give yourself over to that side instead. Either way, I find there are many systems that want you to give over your power/ your being/ your time, thoughts, energy, etc. So whether you're for the "good" side or the "bad" side, you've chosen a side and fallen to a belief that there is power "higher" than yourself.
I definitely see the common themes in all religion, which often leads people to think they're all on the right track. Which is somewhat true. I think there are grains of truth in all religions, but none is the ONLY way, and probably that none is even the "right" way.
For a final note, I believe that "God" and the "Devil" exist, but I do not believe they are the ultimate/infinite/initial creators of the universe. I somewhat want to expand on that thought, but think I will leave off here to keep this response "short."
You're spot on, and actually I think you can take it a wee bit further and say that almost everyone can be placed into four main categories:
1. people from a poor or relatively basic education system who's religion is god based or man made, for example Football as a means of giving them hope beyond their means
2. people who are affluent and/or educated who believe in a higher power who has provided their place in society
3. people who are affluent and/or educated who don't believe in a higher power but use a man made religion as their place of worship, for example, sports or more likely a need to have power, be the best, have the most etc
4. people who believe in only themselves and have no inclination to believe in anything beyond what they can touch and smell and see.
religions destroy spirituality... ~ Michael Ellner
Now, passing counterfeit money is a crime, causing inconvenience, loss and disappointment to the victim. But counterfeit religion is even worse. It’s deceptive, because it looks so much like the real thing. But sooner or later, it will catch up with the person who tries to pass it off as genuine religion. And when that happens, people get hurt; especially the people who know genuine religion. They often get turned off on all religion, and want nothing more to do with it.
Counterfeit or Genuine
When the Secret Service trains its members to recognize counterfeit money, they begin by studying and learning the genuine article. They study in great detail all of its protections, its paper and markings, and the very smallest details to ensure they know the “real thing” better than anything. A bank teller deals with money all day long and he or she can get a good feel of the currency and know the “real thing” from experience and handling the bills on a daily basis.
We begin by finding the genuine article by looking at the name…one that honors its founder and creator. As Christ pointed out to Peter, in Matthew 16:18, Christ is the founder…any other is an imposter/man-made/counterfeit.
Counterfeit Religion
originally posted by: bobsa
So this is my first big post on any subject, I realise some people will have postulated the same theory as me before but this is my own thoughts, I appreciate all feedback, but please be gentle on me I’m almost a virgin poster
I believe that religion, all religion, is a conspiracy. To understand why I believe this we need to look at three subjects which all form the triumvirate that allows the conspiracy to work:
• God or a superior being
• Religion
• The human race
God or a superior being
I firmly believe that a god or supreme being was responsible for the creation of our universe. I would expect any reasonable person to ask a load of questions just from that statement alone, I’ll have hopefully pre-empted some here:
1. Why do I believe the universe was created by a supreme or intelligent being?
a. Quite simply because I don’t believe the laws that makes the universe happened by accident, they aren’t simple enough to be natural. I realise that’s a sketchy answer and could probably be blown away, however, I have a degree is physics, If I believe this then many, many more will easily believe it which will lead nicely on to “the human race”
2. Who or what created the “supreme being”, when, how, for what purpose and where are they now?
a. Honestly, I have no idea, anything I answered here would be conjecture and guesswork, and therefore, no better than “religion”
Religion
For me this is the easy one, religion is a tool used by the few to subjugate the many since the dawn of time. If you look at a history of religions, you can see a common theme:
Extraordinary birth
One parent mortal, the other a god
Simple life
Miraculous adulthood
Selfless death
Religion allows the exertion of force on the masses by a select few, and this is even easier when the masses group together for worship, you only have to look at football, baseball, soccer, rugby etc to see this in operation to a lesser extent.
The human race
So what makes all of this a conspiracy, well I believe that as a race we have a need to believe in a higher power, its difficult for us to accept we are not special in the universe and that life probably doesn’t exist after death in the fashion that the major religions tell us. This makes it easy for the few to coral people into little pockets of religion that are made to suit their core beliefs, and as beliefs change and become more complex so do number and type of religions.
As a race we will readily accept a definition of god and/or religion defined by one man or a few men, they set rules that god demands we must obey, me must adhere to days which are holy, and give money to “the church” on those days, but we have no say over the running of these religions at the highest levels. Who thinks religions sound like government without the normal election process that allows us to exercise what’s left of our free will?
So, I realise this is maybe a bit light on content, but I wanted to keep it punchy and not boring. Comments welcome.
originally posted by: bobsa
a reply to: NOTurTypical
LOL, I've replied to a few posts but to be honest, yeah, been a bit of a lurker.