Anonymous goes "full 9/11 Truther"

a reply to: samkent

So you're suggesting a 767 did hit the pentagon and leave a 14-17 foot hole upon impact and leave no debris trail, bodies, engines, seats, luggage, or was able to be caught on video during crashing into the building that has arguably the most cameras on it watching every possible angle from every possible vantage point?

Or are you suggesting somehow that WTC 7 just decided to collapse at free fall speed on it's own while the apparent damage was superficial? Some broken glass, and a small office fire?

And the wreckage of flight 93?

You would rather believe in the 'official' obviously fake story, than use the power of evidence and deductive reasoning?

And you're wrong. ATS definitely represents a cross section of people in the world. Opinions are (or used to be) welcome here. As is speculation. But more so, evidence and science.

The science behind the things that happened on 9/11 points to one conclusion: we were lied to on a massive scale. 3000 people died because of a great conspiracy. Yes a conspiracy. Shocker, i know. The government conspires and lies... what a bold and radical thought that is.

a reply to: AnonyMason

The science behind the things that happened on 9/11 points to one conclusion: we were lied to on a massive scale.

All it is is pseudoscience.
The conspiracy crowd has had 15 years to come up with one cohesive theory to explain 911.
What have they come up with ?
Military planes firing missiles.
Thermite
Shaped charge explosives
Space beams
Mini nukes
Probably a few I missed.

Show us absolute court worth proof of any of these and I'll reconsider the conspiracy.

a reply to: AnonyMason

3000 people died because of a great conspiracy. Yes a conspiracy. Shocker, i know.

Not really a shock.
It did indeed require a group of people planning a crime. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Even the US Government.

a reply to: samkent

investigate911.org...

There ya go. It's all fully referenced and sourced down to the last scientist, architect, firefighter, cop, and military officer who can explain how bunk the official story is.

It's going to require that you read, something I'm sure you aren't willing to do.

So how bout we reverse rolls here. Why don't you prove to me the science behind the official story. You can start with explaining World Trade 7, and the physics behind a Boeing 767 leaving a 14-16 foot impact hole in the side of a building that was shorter in height than the airplane itself.

I would also love to hear your explanations of the lack of debris, lack of camera footage, and lack of two Pratt&Whitney jet engines that weigh about 9500 pounds dry and measure about 14foot by 9.5 foot. Oh, and please explain in detail the 14-16 foot diameter impact hole. Keep in mind the wingspan on a 767 is 156 feet tip to tip.

After that pour yourself a nice tall glass of grape kool-aide.

a reply to: samkent

but the official story does?

there are more holes in the commission and nist report than swiss cheese.

a reply to: samkent

how about simple newtonian physics?

what happens when you drop 3 cars onto 10?

what happens when you take the most vulnerable piece out in a jenga puzzle?

you have all of the remains, for starters.

your opinion is dwindled and illogical. it does not match up with the accuracy of high school science.

there were 220 floors of reinforced steel here, not counting building 7. no wonder people think a nuclear bomb went off.

a reply to: AnonyMason

So you're suggesting a 767 did hit the pentagon and leave a 14-17 foot hole upon impact and leave no debris trail, bodies, engines, seats, luggage, or was able to be caught on video during crashing into the building that has arguably the most cameras on it watching every possible angle from every possible vantage point?

Number 1 - It was a 757 that struck Pentagon

Number 2 - There were 2 holes - one at 2nd floor 16 ft in diameter caused by fuselage hitting building, 2nd hole at ground
level over 90 ft from wings and engines

Number 3 - plane left trail of debris and body parts from impact at E ring, punching out hole in wall at C ring and
scattering debris in roadway between rings

Number 4 - Pentagon has it own security which patrol, no need for camera when you have live bodies, also security
cameras are normally aimed at entrances not outside walls

WOW - 4 falsehoods in one sentence.....!!! Must be some record even for a truther......

a reply to: AnonyMason

No jet engines at Pentagon.......

Actually found both engines in the debris

Here are the pictures

www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtm

Also gruber - it was a 757 get that right OK .......

originally posted by: AnonyMason
and the physics behind a Boeing 767

767? What are you babbling about?

and lack of two Pratt&Whitney jet engines

Again, what are you babbling about?

you are very confused, and apparently know nothing at all about 9/11!

a reply to: firerescue

Those are not any recognizable engine parts from a 757.

a reply to: hellobruce

You're correct, i mistyped the 767. So allow me to correct myself.

How could a 757 leave an impact hole of 14-16 feet when the wingspan is 125 feet?

Also, the Rolls-Royce engines are about 7 feet in diameter. None of the pictures of the little parts scattered in front of the pentagon are sufficient. Those look like torque converters from a diesel truck, not parts from a commercial jet.

Still failing to explain wreckage, bodies, debris...

Personnel on the ground (security guards) doesn't mean anything either. Theres more cameras on the pentagon than arguable any other building. So thats weak.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
a reply to: firerescue

Those are not any recognizable engine parts from a 757.

Yes they are actually, but not Pratt and Whitney's!

a reply to: AnonyMason

Those are not any recognizable engine parts from a 757.

The parts were identified by experts.
Prove otherwise.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
Also, the Rolls-Royce engines are about 7 feet in diameter.

Good grief, obviously you do not know anything about jet engines!

None of the pictures of the little parts scattered in front of the pentagon are sufficient. Those look like torque converters from a diesel truck, not parts from a commercial jet.

Oh dear, the engine parts are NOT in front of the Pentagon, you really do not know much about 9/11!

Still failing to explain wreckage, bodies, debris...

Mostly inside the Pentagon, why not look at the pictures of the wreckage etc.?

Theres more cameras on the pentagon than arguable any other building.

Your source for that claim is what exactly?

a reply to: AnonyMason

Theres more cameras on the pentagon than arguable any other building. So thats weak.

Please tell us just how many external cameras there were on the Pentagon in 2001.

Then tell us how you know if the cameras on the newly renovated, not quite finished, wedge were hooked up at the time.

a reply to: hellobruce

No, they are not.

See above, please. I corrected the PW engine statement. Those are on a 767. The 757 has Rolls-Royce engines, that have a fan diameter of over 6 foot. 9000 pounds of engine just doesn't disintegrate, either.

So far all I'm hearing is a lot of " NO ITS NOT THAT BECAUSE OFFICIAL STORY SAYS SO, DUMMY!"

Going to have to better than that.

No one has tried explaining World Trade 7 to me yet, either.

originally posted by: samkent
Then tell us how you know if the cameras on the newly renovated, not quite finished, wedge were hooked up at the
time.

Also how many of those camera's were being recorded, and how many just went to a monitor to be watched....

It's a constant pattern with 911 conspiracy believers.
They know it can't be this because . . . . . their gut tells them???
It has to be that because . . . . . their gut tells them??

If you want to prove there was a conspiracy on 911 you must present hard facts that will stand up in a court of law.
Not hunches or I believe.

Even the major players disagree with each other.
Richard Gage disagrees with Judy Wood.
Judy Wood disagrees with Steven Jones.

That's why this conspiracy has gone nowhere in 15 years.

originally posted by: AnonyMason
The 757 has Rolls-Royce engines, that have a fan diameter of over 6 foot.

What exactly is that fan made from?

9000 pounds of engine just doesn't disintegrate, either.

When it hits a reinforced building it does. You seem to get your physics from cartoons!

No one has tried explaining World Trade 7 to me yet, either.

What do you want explained? It was severely damaged, had unchecked fires, the FB put a transit on it and saw it was bulging and going to collapse....

Anonymous is the government. It exists to promote the "liberal"/socialist/communist agenda. End of story.

The idea that one man's wages belong to all is something that all of humanity can't accept, because we're not ready to let go of the concept of money altogether. Greed still runs the planet.