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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
Here is the issue..
Assange is effectively working with and courting Russia now.
He wants out of his cubby-hole prison in the Ecuadorian embassy in London and Russia has already given Snowden a safe refuge. They are his best hope.
Meanwhile his last leak of the DNC Emails, which was poorly screened and edited before release...was clearly and indisputably given to him by Russian Intelligence Hackers.
That is not a political assessment...non-partisan, independent hackers and security firms have dug into the leaked material and literally found Russian Intelligence signatures on the docs that Russian Intelligence forgot to edit out before handing over to Assange.
Which leads us to the next leak...
Democrats' new warning: Leaks could include Russian lies
Last month, a bipartisan group of 32 national security experts at the Aspen Institute Homeland Security Group warned of a specific type of fakery following the DNC hack, arguing that the suspected Russian hackers who struck the DNC and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee could “salt the files they release with plausible forgeries.”
www.politico.com...
NOW...Of course anti-Hilary folks will say that is BS and the upcoming leaks are fully accurate if they scuttle her chances as an "October Surprise". And it's possible that the leaks will contain fabrications...or it's possible they will be true...
BUT...as far as the idea that the FBI and Justice can fully verify the leaks are not fabricated in parts? In time for the election? That won't happen. That is a huge undertaking to chase down the origin of the leaks and subpoena other peoples email records and review it all to make sure it is accurate.
So logically the timeline will not afford for verification of the leaks and verification will be absolutely a pre-requisite for any charges or indictment....more so when working with evidence provided by Russian Hackers aimed at messing with a US election.
Best case that Hillary haters can hope for is very bad headlines, but no..logically the timeline will not afford for any charges or indictments. The FBI wont be able to prove or disprove the content of the leak quickly enough given the nature and origin.
originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: Indigo5
Of course, it's the Russians.
Are you not tired of blaming the evil communists for the 60 years?
Crowdstrike, a firm that analyzes threats to network security, revealed that the DNC had called it in to inspect the party’s servers, where it found “two separate Russian intelligence-affiliated adversaries present in the DNC network.” Crowdstrike released a comprehensive report of its findings on June 14
The following week, two cybersecurity firms, Fidelis Cybersecurity and Mandiant, independently corroborated Crowdstrike’s assessment that Russian hackers infiltrated DNC networks,
But some of the most compelling evidence linking the DNC breach to Russia was found at the beginning of July by Thomas Rid, a professor at King’s College in London, who discovered an identical command-and-control address hardcoded into the DNC malware that was also found on malware used to hack the German Parliament in 2015. According to German security officials, the malware originated from Russian military intelligence. An identical SSL certificate was also found in both breaches.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Indigo5
Ahh so that's the strategy to protect Clinton. Plausible deniability. "They "might" be Russian lies, so kindly ignore please."
Again...those are the facts.
Whether or not the next leak contains fabricated content...that will need to be verified by FBI or Justice before any charges.
Yes, it is and will be politically convenient for the Clinton campaign to claim the leak is fabricated.
Yes, it is entirely plausible the content will be fabricated by Russian Intelligence.
It is also plausible it will be fully accurate.
BUT the truthfulness will not be able to be determined by the FBI or public before the election if the leak occurs right before debates or voting.
Which leads me to ask the question...If it is so damning, why doesn't Assange release it now? So that the Public and FBI has time to investigate and verify?
The obvious answer to me is that the Russian Hackers have refused to give Assange everything, or made him promise to wait, in order to have maximum headline impact plus minimum verification.
No offense...but I am offering logic...your post is offering empty snark.
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
How do you know WikiLeaks lacks the capabilities to verify information passed to them? Unless you are, which is unlikely, involved with WikiLeaks proper?
However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey.
Yes — this “leak” actually contains spreadsheets of private, sensitive information of what appears to be every female voter in 79 out of 81 provinces in Turkey, including their home addresses and other private information, sometimes including their cellphone numbers. If these women are members of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (known as the AKP), the dumped files also contain their Turkish citizenship ID, which increases the risk to them as the ID is used in practicing a range of basic rights and accessing services. The Istanbul file alone contains more than a million women’s private information,
Yet another file contains the full names, citizenship IDs and cellphone numbers of hundreds of thousands of AKP election monitors — the most active members of the party.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
How do you know WikiLeaks lacks the capabilities to verify information passed to them? Unless you are, which is unlikely, involved with WikiLeaks proper?
Well if Wikileaks actually does review their releases then they are evil..
Like here where he released voting records and addresses, numbers and names of a million women in Turkey...
However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey.
Yes — this “leak” actually contains spreadsheets of private, sensitive information of what appears to be every female voter in 79 out of 81 provinces in Turkey, including their home addresses and other private information, sometimes including their cellphone numbers. If these women are members of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (known as the AKP), the dumped files also contain their Turkish citizenship ID, which increases the risk to them as the ID is used in practicing a range of basic rights and accessing services. The Istanbul file alone contains more than a million women’s private information,
Yet another file contains the full names, citizenship IDs and cellphone numbers of hundreds of thousands of AKP election monitors — the most active members of the party.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
WHY release personal information for all the women that voted for the AKP? The AKP is a pro-western political movement in Turkey..anti-russian..
And during the Coup and political instability their Assange effectively identified pro AKP men and women for targeting.
If the Coup had been successful in Turkey ousting the Pro-Western government...Assange gave them a complet list of who to round up post coup...men, women, home addresses etc.
He works for Putin.
originally posted by: boast
a reply to: Indigo5
the Turkey leak was not Assange.
twitter.com...
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Konduit
No one has any leaked emails from her private server. Wiki has DNC emails.
These "journalists" can't even get that right.
What a load of crap.
Come on you guys you can do better.
Any private server emails are the ones that have been released through legal channels.
originally posted by: boast
a reply to: Indigo5
the Turkey leak was not Assange.
twitter.com...
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
How do you know WikiLeaks lacks the capabilities to verify information passed to them? Unless you are, which is unlikely, involved with WikiLeaks proper?
Well if Wikileaks actually does review their releases then they are evil..
Like here where he released voting records and addresses, numbers and names of a million women in Turkey...
However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey.
Yes — this “leak” actually contains spreadsheets of private, sensitive information of what appears to be every female voter in 79 out of 81 provinces in Turkey, including their home addresses and other private information, sometimes including their cellphone numbers. If these women are members of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (known as the AKP), the dumped files also contain their Turkish citizenship ID, which increases the risk to them as the ID is used in practicing a range of basic rights and accessing services. The Istanbul file alone contains more than a million women’s private information,
Yet another file contains the full names, citizenship IDs and cellphone numbers of hundreds of thousands of AKP election monitors — the most active members of the party.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
WHY release personal information for all the women that voted for the AKP? The AKP is a pro-western political movement in Turkey..anti-russian..
And during the Coup and political instability their Assange effectively identified pro AKP men and women for targeting.
If the Coup had been successful in Turkey ousting the Pro-Western government...Assange gave them a complet list of who to round up post coup...men, women, home addresses etc.
He works for Putin.
Your guessing and trying to pass off guesses as facts.
Can you provide any evidence that Assange works for Putin or that documents are being changed in order to bring down the US election process?
At this stage we do not know who Assange's sources are for the various leaks published. Whilst there are media claims of a conspiracy theory involving Russia there are also counter claims. The problem is you go to left leaning sources and they say "Russian hack", you go to right leaning sources and they say "not Russian hack".
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
How do you know WikiLeaks lacks the capabilities to verify information passed to them? Unless you are, which is unlikely, involved with WikiLeaks proper?
Well if Wikileaks actually does review their releases then they are evil..
Like here where he released voting records and addresses, numbers and names of a million women in Turkey...
However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey.
Yes — this “leak” actually contains spreadsheets of private, sensitive information of what appears to be every female voter in 79 out of 81 provinces in Turkey, including their home addresses and other private information, sometimes including their cellphone numbers. If these women are members of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (known as the AKP), the dumped files also contain their Turkish citizenship ID, which increases the risk to them as the ID is used in practicing a range of basic rights and accessing services. The Istanbul file alone contains more than a million women’s private information,
Yet another file contains the full names, citizenship IDs and cellphone numbers of hundreds of thousands of AKP election monitors — the most active members of the party.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
WHY release personal information for all the women that voted for the AKP? The AKP is a pro-western political movement in Turkey..anti-russian..
And during the Coup and political instability their Assange effectively identified pro AKP men and women for targeting.
If the Coup had been successful in Turkey ousting the Pro-Western government...Assange gave them a complet list of who to round up post coup...men, women, home addresses etc.
He works for Putin.
Your guessing and trying to pass off guesses as facts.
Can you provide any evidence that Assange works for Putin or that documents are being changed in order to bring down the US election process?
At this stage we do not know who Assange's sources are for the various leaks published. Whilst there are media claims of a conspiracy theory involving Russia there are also counter claims. The problem is you go to left leaning sources
Crowdstrike, a firm that analyzes threats to network security, revealed that the DNC had called it in to inspect the party’s servers, where it found “two separate Russian intelligence-affiliated adversaries present in the DNC network.” Crowdstrike released a comprehensive report of its findings on June 14
The following week, two cybersecurity firms, Fidelis Cybersecurity and Mandiant, independently corroborated Crowdstrike’s assessment that Russian hackers infiltrated DNC networks,
But some of the most compelling evidence linking the DNC breach to Russia was found at the beginning of July by Thomas Rid, a professor at King’s College in London, who discovered an identical command-and-control address hardcoded into the DNC malware that was also found on malware used to hack the German Parliament in 2015.
According to German security officials, the malware originated from Russian military intelligence.
An identical SSL certificate was also found in both breaches.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
How do you know WikiLeaks lacks the capabilities to verify information passed to them? Unless you are, which is unlikely, involved with WikiLeaks proper?
Well if Wikileaks actually does review their releases then they are evil..
Like here where he released voting records and addresses, numbers and names of a million women in Turkey...
However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey.
Yes — this “leak” actually contains spreadsheets of private, sensitive information of what appears to be every female voter in 79 out of 81 provinces in Turkey, including their home addresses and other private information, sometimes including their cellphone numbers. If these women are members of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (known as the AKP), the dumped files also contain their Turkish citizenship ID, which increases the risk to them as the ID is used in practicing a range of basic rights and accessing services. The Istanbul file alone contains more than a million women’s private information,
Yet another file contains the full names, citizenship IDs and cellphone numbers of hundreds of thousands of AKP election monitors — the most active members of the party.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
WHY release personal information for all the women that voted for the AKP? The AKP is a pro-western political movement in Turkey..anti-russian..
And during the Coup and political instability their Assange effectively identified pro AKP men and women for targeting.
If the Coup had been successful in Turkey ousting the Pro-Western government...Assange gave them a complet list of who to round up post coup...men, women, home addresses etc.
He works for Putin.
Your guessing and trying to pass off guesses as facts.
Can you provide any evidence that Assange works for Putin or that documents are being changed in order to bring down the US election process?
At this stage we do not know who Assange's sources are for the various leaks published. Whilst there are media claims of a conspiracy theory involving Russia there are also counter claims. The problem is you go to left leaning sources and they say "Russian hack", you go to right leaning sources and they say "not Russian hack".
No...security firms, analysts, independent hackers and the German government itself have found clear and indisputable signatures of Russian Intelligence in the leaked material. Not "left" media...But yes...Pro Trump/Russian outlets are selling that it was not Russia with "cuz we say so" evidence.
Honestly...the level of dishonesty you need to employ to dismiss the entire tech community as "left wing media" is kind of gross.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
How do you know WikiLeaks lacks the capabilities to verify information passed to them? Unless you are, which is unlikely, involved with WikiLeaks proper?
Well if Wikileaks actually does review their releases then they are evil..
Like here where he released voting records and addresses, numbers and names of a million women in Turkey...
However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey.
Yes — this “leak” actually contains spreadsheets of private, sensitive information of what appears to be every female voter in 79 out of 81 provinces in Turkey, including their home addresses and other private information, sometimes including their cellphone numbers. If these women are members of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (known as the AKP), the dumped files also contain their Turkish citizenship ID, which increases the risk to them as the ID is used in practicing a range of basic rights and accessing services. The Istanbul file alone contains more than a million women’s private information,
Yet another file contains the full names, citizenship IDs and cellphone numbers of hundreds of thousands of AKP election monitors — the most active members of the party.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
WHY release personal information for all the women that voted for the AKP? The AKP is a pro-western political movement in Turkey..anti-russian..
And during the Coup and political instability their Assange effectively identified pro AKP men and women for targeting.
If the Coup had been successful in Turkey ousting the Pro-Western government...Assange gave them a complet list of who to round up post coup...men, women, home addresses etc.
He works for Putin.
Your guessing and trying to pass off guesses as facts.
Can you provide any evidence that Assange works for Putin or that documents are being changed in order to bring down the US election process?
At this stage we do not know who Assange's sources are for the various leaks published. Whilst there are media claims of a conspiracy theory involving Russia there are also counter claims. The problem is you go to left leaning sources
These are not "left wing sources" unless you consider TECHNOLOGY ITSELF "left wing"
Crowdstrike, a firm that analyzes threats to network security, revealed that the DNC had called it in to inspect the party’s servers, where it found “two separate Russian intelligence-affiliated adversaries present in the DNC network.” Crowdstrike released a comprehensive report of its findings on June 14
www.wired.com...
The following week, two cybersecurity firms, Fidelis Cybersecurity and Mandiant, independently corroborated Crowdstrike’s assessment that Russian hackers infiltrated DNC networks,
www.wired.com...
But some of the most compelling evidence linking the DNC breach to Russia was found at the beginning of July by Thomas Rid, a professor at King’s College in London, who discovered an identical command-and-control address hardcoded into the DNC malware that was also found on malware used to hack the German Parliament in 2015.
According to German security officials, the malware originated from Russian military intelligence.
An identical SSL certificate was also found in both breaches.
www.wired.com...
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
How do you know WikiLeaks lacks the capabilities to verify information passed to them? Unless you are, which is unlikely, involved with WikiLeaks proper?
Well if Wikileaks actually does review their releases then they are evil..
Like here where he released voting records and addresses, numbers and names of a million women in Turkey...
However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey.
Yes — this “leak” actually contains spreadsheets of private, sensitive information of what appears to be every female voter in 79 out of 81 provinces in Turkey, including their home addresses and other private information, sometimes including their cellphone numbers. If these women are members of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (known as the AKP), the dumped files also contain their Turkish citizenship ID, which increases the risk to them as the ID is used in practicing a range of basic rights and accessing services. The Istanbul file alone contains more than a million women’s private information,
Yet another file contains the full names, citizenship IDs and cellphone numbers of hundreds of thousands of AKP election monitors — the most active members of the party.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
WHY release personal information for all the women that voted for the AKP? The AKP is a pro-western political movement in Turkey..anti-russian..
And during the Coup and political instability their Assange effectively identified pro AKP men and women for targeting.
If the Coup had been successful in Turkey ousting the Pro-Western government...Assange gave them a complet list of who to round up post coup...men, women, home addresses etc.
He works for Putin.
Your guessing and trying to pass off guesses as facts.
Can you provide any evidence that Assange works for Putin or that documents are being changed in order to bring down the US election process?
At this stage we do not know who Assange's sources are for the various leaks published. Whilst there are media claims of a conspiracy theory involving Russia there are also counter claims. The problem is you go to left leaning sources and they say "Russian hack", you go to right leaning sources and they say "not Russian hack".
No...security firms, analysts, independent hackers and the German government itself have found clear and indisputable signatures of Russian Intelligence in the leaked material. Not "left" media...But yes...Pro Trump/Russian outlets are selling that it was not Russia with "cuz we say so" evidence.
Honestly...the level of dishonesty you need to employ to dismiss the entire tech community as "left wing media" is kind of gross.
Except that it not the entire tech community - it's some, with others calling it BS.
www.globalresearch.ca...
I can link other sources, including a study on methodology which covers the fact that attribution is no more than guesswork.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Konduit
At this stage Russia can hand Assange anything they like, true or not, for leaking. He has no way to verify.
How do you know WikiLeaks lacks the capabilities to verify information passed to them? Unless you are, which is unlikely, involved with WikiLeaks proper?
Well if Wikileaks actually does review their releases then they are evil..
Like here where he released voting records and addresses, numbers and names of a million women in Turkey...
However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey.
Yes — this “leak” actually contains spreadsheets of private, sensitive information of what appears to be every female voter in 79 out of 81 provinces in Turkey, including their home addresses and other private information, sometimes including their cellphone numbers. If these women are members of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (known as the AKP), the dumped files also contain their Turkish citizenship ID, which increases the risk to them as the ID is used in practicing a range of basic rights and accessing services. The Istanbul file alone contains more than a million women’s private information,
Yet another file contains the full names, citizenship IDs and cellphone numbers of hundreds of thousands of AKP election monitors — the most active members of the party.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
WHY release personal information for all the women that voted for the AKP? The AKP is a pro-western political movement in Turkey..anti-russian..
And during the Coup and political instability their Assange effectively identified pro AKP men and women for targeting.
If the Coup had been successful in Turkey ousting the Pro-Western government...Assange gave them a complet list of who to round up post coup...men, women, home addresses etc.
He works for Putin.
Your guessing and trying to pass off guesses as facts.
Can you provide any evidence that Assange works for Putin or that documents are being changed in order to bring down the US election process?
At this stage we do not know who Assange's sources are for the various leaks published. Whilst there are media claims of a conspiracy theory involving Russia there are also counter claims. The problem is you go to left leaning sources and they say "Russian hack", you go to right leaning sources and they say "not Russian hack".
No...security firms, analysts, independent hackers and the German government itself have found clear and indisputable signatures of Russian Intelligence in the leaked material. Not "left" media...But yes...Pro Trump/Russian outlets are selling that it was not Russia with "cuz we say so" evidence.
Honestly...the level of dishonesty you need to employ to dismiss the entire tech community as "left wing media" is kind of gross.
Except that it not the entire tech community - it's some, with others calling it BS.
www.globalresearch.ca...
I can link other sources, including a study on methodology which covers the fact that attribution is no more than guesswork.
Please do...cuz that source you provide is utter BS...and links to an article that doesn't exist..
The last article "Global Research" released claimed that Zika in Brazil was a result of vaccinations not Mosquitoes.
www.politifact.com...
Your posts appear to be utter BS stacked upon BS...while I listed a sampling of highly respected computer security firms and clear evidence trails.