China enters fray in Syria on Bashar al-Assad’s side

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: MrSpad

MrSpad?

Right now what would you say the best solution is?

Nobody is pulling out and the peace talks just seemed like an opportunity to focus on ISIS and for the enemies of ISIS (possibly Assad) make ground. Is anyone ready to carve up Syria?

I honestly don't see anyone backing down now, though I can't help but think Syria has had enough... In poker when the same players keep making the next game you've basically came to the crunch, the deciding factor. I think we are at that part of the game.

Their is no solution from the outside. This is an internal problem. This is a popular revolution that has drawn in other powers. Historically the way these thing go is some sort of deal is made and the nation divided or the afters years the outside powers get tired and leave and the war takes its natural course. Even a peace deal does not mean it is over, when the outside powers leave it is likely start up again. The US, Russia, Turkey, Arab League, NATO did start this was and they will not be able to end it. The problems in Syria have been going for decades, they were kept in check by brutal crack downs that in time lead to this. This will end when the Syrians get what they want.

Much like Libya, the same tribal problems used to answered by brutal military crack downs but, they never went away. And is the normal course for regimes like that the people rise at some point and then all those old issues must be dealt with. In Libya ISIS has just been crushed and a Unity Government formed but, those old internal problems will still have to be solved by the Libyans themselves.

You can intervene in internal struggles to stop mass killings or the capture of city but, what you can not do in an intervention is solve the problems that started things. That is always on the people themselves. Only they can decide when they have had enough.

originally posted by: MrSpad
This is an internal problem. This is a popular revolution that has drawn in other powers

I agree with what you said buy you are dead wrong with the above.
This is not a revolution or a popular uprising... this is western powers meddling in Syria pure and simple.

We created this ''fake'' revolution like we did in Libya and attempted to in Iran. That is why we are fighting tooth and nail to keep it going! The US doesn't even hide the fact that the end game is removing Assad - not sorting out public differences.

originally posted by: Swills
www.irishtimes.com...

China, Russia and Iran have come together in a tripartite alliance supporting the Syrian government in the war against radical fundamentalist insurgents.

The main targets of this alliance are Islamic State and Jabhat Fatah al-Sham, formerly al-Qaeda’s affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra, and its partners.
Until last week Russia and Iran were the military mainstays of the overstretched and undermanned Syrian army.

China signalled it was prepared to join them by dispatching high-profile rear admiral Guan Youfei, head of Beijing’s office for international military co-operation, to Damascus to hold discussions with the Syrian defence minister Fahd Jassem al-Freij.

Anyone else familiar with this story from 2 days ago because the MSM sure isn't and neither are all the talking heads. From the sounds of it China will be supporting Assad just like the west supports the rebels by providing humanitarian aide, military training that includes Chinese weapon training because China will also be arming the Syrian gov't, and Military advisors. China's targets will be ISIS and AQ but as we've seen from Russia, will China also target western backed rebel forces?

So Iran, China, Russia supporting Assad while the west supports the rebels, and conspiracy also says the terrorists. Doesn't this sound like the ingredients to the next world war fought over a Syrian civil war and Wahhabism terrorism? How ridiculous does that sound?

And America is stuck between choosing a war monger or a thinned skinned bully. We are all in big, nay, YUGE TROUBLE!!!

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Chinese military to provide ‘aid and training assistance’ to Syrian government

Quite likely another move from out of the blue the US did not foresee. If the US thought this was on the cards there likely would have been murmurings in the press about this move.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: MrSpad
This is an internal problem. This is a popular revolution that has drawn in other powers

I agree with what you said buy you are dead wrong with the above.
This is not a revolution or a popular uprising... this is western powers meddling in Syria pure and simple.

We created this ''fake'' revolution like we did in Libya and attempted to in Iran. That is why we are fighting tooth and nail to keep it going! The US doesn't even hide the fact that the end game is removing Assad - not sorting out public differences.

No. You could not be more wrong. That ignores the history of these states. In both Libya and Syria revolts and coups attempts have been going on for decades. Outside powers can not create a revolt and would not want to if they could, they are to unpredictable. When an outside power wants to create regime change they do so through a coup from with a nations own military because it can be controlled and is over quickly. The idea anybody would try regime change through a revolution is ludicrous. You can not control who comes out on top, who takes over and they can last for years. It never works out well.

Syria and Libya are less nations than groups of people with nothing in common who suddenly were told you now a part of this nation, good luck as the UK and France pulled out from their empires. Neither nation has ever been peaceful and both used the same draconian tactics to keep these disparate populations under control often pitting one again another. And in both cases they had to contend more and more with disloyal militaries who did not enjoy spending their time going into cities and crushing riots and revolts. The Libyan military became such a problem they would not be given gas so they could not drive to the capital and launch a coup. in Syria Assad stacked the officer corps with his own loyal tribe and in Iran they formed the better funded revolutionary guard to keep the military in check. Which is the only reason Iran has not fallen to its own people.

The reason the Kurds were better prepared than anybody else in Syria when things turned to fighting is they formed the YPG militias after the Syrian Army had crush Kurdish protests in a couple of cities a few years before. To blame the US for Syria and Libya ignores history and is a disservice to people who have spent decades under brutal regimes.