Huma Abedin Transports Classified Material In Personal Vehicle

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: xuenchen

It says I have a burn bag in the front and am picking up an ambassador put it in the trunk.
Where the cluck does it say anything about classified files?
Wow the desperation.

What goes in a burn bag?

Why put it in the trunk if the bag is empty?

originally posted by: Sillyolme

It says I have a burn bag in the front and am picking up an ambassador put it in the trunk.
Where the cluck does it say anything about classified files?
Wow the desperation.

LOL

quoting from the email itself........

“I’m going to have ambassador ride on next drive,” wrote Abedin. “There’s a bunch of burn stuff in the pocket of my front seat.”

Pay attention to "bunch of burn stuff"

Hey, Ahmed. You have thirty minutes to read the material I conveniently left in the front seat of my car. It is parked at 12345 Avenue OutoftheWay. Then, I am going to cover my tracks by calling my assistant and telling them I forgot about it being there and to rush over put it in the trunk. I will conveniently leave my car unlocked.

a reply to: shooterbrody

So what is the law about an authorized person carrying / transporting sensitive information? Is her vehicle considered a secure area. Did she have it moved to the trunk by authorized personnel?

Pre electronic age there had to be manual movement of documents of this kind. I doubt every one required an armed guard and witnesses. There must be laws for physical movement.
I imagine that would require cars being considered secure areas. A person authorized to posses documents should be authorized to transport them. How would they even move something from one office to another if they don't have protocols for said movement?

a reply to: Sillyolme

I posted sources earlier in the thread if you would like to keep up.

What the email shows she did is not in line with those sources.

a reply to: shooterbrody

If I want to keep up?


Forget it. That about tells me the level of conversation I can expect in this thread.

originally posted by: queenofswords
Hey, Ahmed. You have thirty minutes to read the material I conveniently left in the front seat of my car. It is parked at 12345 Avenue OutoftheWay. Then, I am going to cover my tracks by calling my assistant and telling them I forgot about it being there and to rush over put it in the trunk. I will conveniently leave my car unlocked.

Speculation, while possible, doesn't really help at this point. If that is shown to be the endgame alot of defenders will have egg on their faces. National Security is no joke. There are only a few issues that will damn a campaign and National Security is one of them.

a reply to: Sillyolme

You erased your first attempt at deflection.
Some genuine conversation there.

a reply to: shooterbrody

The point is, these people that are in high positions who play loose with sensitive information don't need to be in those positions.

Passing an envelope with sensitive info to a Russian spy during the Cold War was treasonous. Look at Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. They were executed for conspiracy to commit espionage...executed!

Why have we become complacent about such things just because the information is held electronically now and the ability to communicate is instant and erasable!

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were American citizens who spied for the Soviet Union and were tried, convicted, and executed for conspiracy to commit espionage. They were instrumental in the passing of information about the atomic bomb to the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin, speeding his development of Soviet nuclear weapon development

en.wikipedia.org...

IMO, both she and Hillary should never be allowed to hold a security clearance.

a reply to: queenofswords

I agree with you. Lots of room for skulduggery at hillarys dept of state. Lots of explaining left to do as to why no one was charged if the fbi had this.
Lots of explaining to do if hillary wants to win the election.

originally posted by: introvert

When a thing such a the daily schedule for a government representative can be classified,

Yeah, so much for those dignitaries meeting locations being
kept under wraps, one thing that would be in there.

Smart people dont leave this in the car's side pocket.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: jimmyx

www.cdse.edu...

Hand-Carrying Responsibilities Individuals are required to read written instructions or be briefed on the following responsibilities: 1. The individual is liable and responsible for the material being carried or escorted. 2. The material is not, under any circumstances, to be left unattended. During overnight stops, arrangements shall be made for storage of the classified material at a U.S. military facility, embassy, or cleared contractor facility. Classified information shall not be stored in hotel safes. 3. The material shall not be opened en route except in the circumstances previously described. 4. The material shall not be discussed or disclosed in any public place. 5. The individual shall not deviate from the authorized travel schedule. 6. In cases of emergency, the individual shall take measures to protect the material. 7. The individual is responsible for ensuring that personal travel documents (passport, courier authorization (if required), medical documents, etc.) are complete, valid, and current.

#2
#4
I would bet she had no formal training for this.

www.dtic.mil...
2(b) encompasses the dept of state

Those are procedures for courier service. But hey cant use that as it leaves a paper trail.

Guess Huma will be the one thrown under the bus.
Carlos Danger will soon be on the prowl again.

Neither Hillary or her staff supposedly attended the "mandatory" ethics training they were supposed to attend. When it comes to the Clintons it seems rules are made to be broken. I can imagine Huma looking through her car door pocket "Lesse.....I have a map, Wendy's receipt, vehicle registration, something or rather marked terces pot, eh I'll just toss it all when I pull in to Sheetz for gas"

originally posted by: butcherguy
Do you really think that a lot of them do that?

Yes, in fact I am convinced they do because many of the people here who gave stories of how they treated classified information included stories of how they had to secure material in their own vehicles.

a reply to: UnBreakable

There is protocol for handling classified government email, and a car door pocket is not one of them.

This is not about an email. It's about a physical item in her car.

I think you guys are misunderstanding the situation. If there was any real wrongdoing, the FBI would have recommended indictment for this.

At the very least, we have to know what she had. Since we don't have that, it seems to be a leap in logic to claim she mishandled classified info.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Syphon

Had this been an ISOLATED incident I would agree with you. Now, after how many investigations, and lawsuits for freedom of information from OUR government, a pattern has emerged. We don't need an encrypted device, we don't need a secure server, we don't need to turn in emails, we don't need to disclose all campaign contributions. Where does it end with these people? How can anyone still defend their wanton lawlessness?

Did you know all the materials on Vince Foster disappeared from the National Archives?
Is Sandy Berger on the loose again? Better check his underoos.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Do you deny there are laws governing the transport of classified info?

Yes there is.

Do you believe leaving such info in a car is allowed?

No. Do you believe she left highly classified material in her car, or is it more plausible that it was schedules or press talking points?

Considering the FBI did not recommend indictment, I'd say it was probably the latter.

originally posted by: Krakatoa
Why is the "5-year old excuse" being used in regard to a potential president of the United States? The "5-year old excuse" is akin to a 5-year old saying that everyone else was doing it! Why should I get punished? And an adult response would be, "because it is wrong and you got caught. If they all jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?".

What's more rational? That everyone else on the bridge with me went crazy and jumped off risking death. Or that there's a good reason to jump off? If I were on that bridge, I would probably jump too.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: introvert

When a thing such a the daily schedule for a government representative can be classified,

Yeah, so much for those dignitaries meeting locations being
kept under wraps, one thing that would be in there.

Smart people dont leave this in the car's side pocket.

The meeting places where "dignitaries" meet is often public knowledge. The press is often there as well. Almost always, right?

Smart people know the world is not a game of 'spy vs. spy' where government officials meet in parking garages and shady cafes.

a reply to: introvert

Smart people know the world is not a game of 'spy vs. spy' where government officials meet in parking garages and shady cafes.

They just leave it on unsecured servers for them to hack into and steal. Or, they leave info unattended in an unlocked car on the front seat to be photographed or read.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Did you know all the materials on Vince Foster disappeared from the National Archives?
Is Sandy Berger on the loose again? Better check his underoos.

I heard about this. It's a big deal, imo. Think about it.

Pre-erasing history by removing important puzzle pieces from our National Archives....that should be a no-no.