Trump's Plan for Fighting Crime - Tougher Cops

originally posted by: Nyiah
Now just wait a goddamn minute, people.

If Obama were to do this, he'd be vilified for adding to the militarized brute force police problem, but it's totes okie-dokie for Trump to want to? WTF?

Look at how you people bitch up a storm when the cops shoot someone shooting/aiming at them, or get creative and robo-bomb a terrorist (and yes he was) taking out cops in Dallas. And now you want more force as a policing prerequisite? How much more pretzeled can your mental gymnastics get?

donald is like theyre messiah or furer and they love him and he can do not wrong -

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: mOjOm

It sounds like he asked police for opinions on policing, which doesn't seem too far out of the ordinary.

I don't mind that he asked police what to do. That makes perfect sense. It's that he seems fine with some Tough Guy Cop saying "I'd solve it in a week" without any further detail.

That's insane. I mean what might this cop have been suggesting??? Rolling tanks in the Chicago ghettos and laying waste to everyone?? Maybe drop care packages with food and porno??? It could be anything.

I'm not trying to minimize the crime levels in Chicago or talk bad about the cops either. I'm saying that Trump doesn't know how to deal with his own citizens. Which is what these people are. Until convicted of something, they're citizens. I think Trump would totally be fine if the cops just arrested whole city blocks of people to catch a handful of actual "bad guys". No regard for any families or any of it. To him they're all just "losers" and trouble makers. Nothing but "Rapists and Murderers" more likely.

I mean you can't tell me that if anyone else running for President that you would accept what he said let alone defend it. He sounds like a GD Fascist who's all too ready to pit the police against the people of this nation with no plan other than "Well, these tough cops seem to know what to do so I'll just let them do whatever they feel is needed." That's f*cking madness man.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

I was listening to Trump. In fact, everything in my post was related to what Trump said.

originally posted by: WanderingNomadd
a reply to: mOjOm

"Did he tell you how"? "No he just said he wants to use tough police tactics" Anyone in America with their election glasses on the table worried?

No, because he admits that he didn't even bother to ask how. He just trusts this guy who he can't even name.

That doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. I'd much rather he tell me a stupid idea than no idea at all.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

In fact, that's one of the main reasons for separating lawmaking and law enforcement in the first place.

a reply to: jedi_hamster


For starters Trump does'nt even know what the guy wants to do. Secondly do you even understand the kind of "Tough guy" Tactics you would have to use to clean somewhere up in 1 week. Police state type tactics. Simple. Thats not a route America wants to go with a government that installs temporary solutions...forever..

originally posted by: lortl

donald is like theyre messiah or furer and they love him and he can do not wrong -

Which is actually more disturbing than Trump himself. The willingness of his supporters to look the other way and defend him regardless of what he plans on doing.

If anyone other then Trump said this their heads would completely explode. Imagine Hillary saying that. Or Obama or Sanders they would completely lose their sh*t and come unglued. But Trump, it's perfectly fine. Like even he said, "He could shoot someone in the middle of the street and not lose one supporter."

It's like something out of a movie. The willingness to accept any idea no matter if it's illegal, impractical, or even makes sense is not just allowed but defended.

you're all acting like he was talking with some trigger-happy crackpot, not a high ranking police officer.

neither did the officer, nor Trump, mention using greater force than allowed currently by the law. all that was discussed, was taking action against the criminals vs lack of action caused by fear to act in the police chain of command.

yet you've managed to go from that to brutalizing police, tanks and porn distribution.

i know you're all here to bash Trump, but do you have any idea how pathethic this attempt is?

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

Exactly!!!

You allow some crazy police action one time and you can bet that it will become standard procedure after that.

You people always scream about the Tyranny of Government, well if you keep allowing them to do it they'll just keep doing it more and more.

How unsafe and scared are you people seriously??? You're all armed to the teeth and talking all this tough guy BS yourselves but jump at every chance to have "Daddy" come in and save you from something scary. Get a hold of yourselves FFS!!

You're way more likely to die of a heart attack, or falling down the stairs by a long shot. Just relax, take some deep breaths and stop letting the media and con men scare you into giving away your liberty's. We basically have almost none left at this point. Quit handing them over.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

you're all acting like he was talking with some trigger-happy crackpot, not a high ranking police officer.

These days there is'nt always a difference. He sounds like one of the more aggressive cops to me aswell.

Imagine how many dogs will be shot, how many children flashbanged, how many deaf people, people with headphones, twitchers, resisters unhappy their homes are getting broken into will be killed or brutalised.

Its not all cops, but there are enough to know that these things would happen as they do now. Except as he is trying to get things cleaned up in a week it will be multiplied greatly.

i know you're all here to bash Trump, but do you have any idea how pathethic this attempt is?

I think both the candidates are bad. The point is a potential future president should atleast ask these people wtf they are planning to do, thats just dangerous.

originally posted by: WanderingNomadd
a reply to: jedi_hamster


For starters Trump does'nt even know what the guy wants to do. Secondly do you even understand the kind of "Tough guy" Tactics you would have to use to clean somewhere up in 1 week. Police state type tactics. Simple. Thats not a route America wants to go with a government that installs temporary solutions...forever..

there was a thread, probably even unrelated to Trump, Hillary and all this BS, not so long ago. i've posted there, i just don't even remember what it was all about. but the point was, you're in a mess. and before you'll figure out what to do next, you have to clean up that mess first.

even if it requires police state tactics as a temporary solution, you don't really have a choice. the alternative is not being safe in your own country.

and you can't even blame people for willing to choose safety over freedom in such situation, because if they would try to defend themselves on their own and eliminate the threat at the same time, they would be hard pressed to do it without breaking the law themselves. it's either "give guns to everyone and make anarchy the law of the land" or "let the police do their job".

a reply to: jedi_hamster

So if Hillary said the same thing you'd be just fine with it is that right???

Because I wouldn't be cool with it.

I'm not cool with any potential president saying some sh*t like that. I don't care who it is.

Those are the words of someone without any idea what the constitution is about. What this country is about. Nothing. He's a walking disaster waiting to happen.

a reply to: mOjOm

I've long thought police behaviour is a good barometer of govt attitudes towards the people they claim to represent.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

even if it requires police state tactics as a temporary solution, you don't really have a choice. the alternative is not being safe in your own country

Ouch. If there are to many people thinking like that America is in for a rough time. Anyone keeping an eye on politics, even Mainstream Politics, would understand "Temporary Solutions" are not going anywhere. Remember America is waging a "War on Terror" Amongst a "War on drugs" And a "War on Poverty". Next is the new "War on Crime".

I always thought police state would be forced but Im starting to wonder now if it will just be accepted, even encouraged.

a reply to: LifeMode

^^^This is why one should be careful filling up police departments with Veterans.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
And of course according to the 'trump-aholics' , he is always right...

Trump needs to be under adult supervision at all times when he speaks.

At least he can speak.

Let all us know when you find Hillary. She literally cannot speak. Hence she hasn't done a press conference in 2016.

a reply to: WanderingNomadd

he can't sound anyhow to you, you didn't get a single word from him, just what Trump said - and being called a tough guy isn't exactly negative for me, it may as well mean someone willing to act and deal with the consequences. something the head of police in chicago is unwilling to do, according to Trump.

what you're saying, may happen, but doesn't have to. police officers good at their job shouldn't make such grave mistakes, so it all depends on who's in charge and how good the police is there in general.

as for Trump being a candidate, why should he ask him? he assumed acting within the law, that should be enough. it's not in his ballpark. as a president he may use his power and influence to help the police globally in the country, but he shouldn't need to interfere in local affairs. and he knows this, and he recognizes the problem being global, not just in chicago.

but hey, he shakes hands with "tough guy" police officer, lets use it as an excuse to bash him instead of focusing on the real issue, right?

originally posted by: WanderingNomadd
a reply to: jedi_hamster


For starters Trump does'nt even know what the guy wants to do. Secondly do you even understand the kind of "Tough guy" Tactics you would have to use to clean somewhere up in 1 week. Police state type tactics. Simple. Thats not a route America wants to go with a government that installs temporary solutions...forever..

It's been done before ever heard of a man called William Bratton he was thr police chief in New york. He brought violent crime down from record numbers in New york. Do you know how? They got tough on all crimes. See it is shown when people ignore minor crimes like say graffiti in a subway this leads to a sense of lawlessness which invades other areas. It was learned being tough on even minor violations such as graffiti and having a presence in areas where minor crimes occur reduces even the murder rate. New York was a hell hole number one in crime in just about every catagory. But police being allowed to police even the small stuff crime went down.

There was a time you couldn't even go to Time square and feel safe.Being tough on crime doesn't mean the police have to use rocket launchers or tanks come on people that's just stupid rhetoric and doesn't even discuss the issue. If you can't trust police to stop even minor crime how can you expect them to do anything about the major stuff. The trick is you have to change the attitude of people if people think there neighborhood has gone to $@@@ then they act accordingly. If Graffiti disapears hookers gone and no drug dealers on the corner they can actually take pride in there neighborhood. And in the case of New York when they did neighborhood watches started and people would actually call the police if some one broke thr law.

In our current state of affairs what happened in New York will not happen again. You can't demonize the police and have them be effective at stopping crime. All this does is make it less likely they will go to areas where they are needed do to fear of losing there job or being harrassed or killed. This is already happening in Chicago there are places police just don't want to go. And when that happens like anything else the problem spreads.

Sadly people with there anti police mentality is actually causing people to die that could have been prevented by police actually policing neighborhoods.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

what you're saying, may happen,

Thats good enough for it not to happen then. It won't go away. once you have it, its there to stay. This is exactly what they want, they already have military freedom, political freedom, economical freedom, control of speech and censorship, Media control, Control of law, Immunity to the law. Police freedom is the final nail in the coffin and its practically already there it just needs to be implemented offically.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: jedi_hamster

So if Hillary said the same thing you'd be just fine with it is that right???

Because I wouldn't be cool with it.

I'm not cool with any potential president saying some sh*t like that. I don't care who it is.

Those are the words of someone without any idea what the constitution is about. What this country is about. Nothing. He's a walking disaster waiting to happen.

it doesn't matter who said it. so yeah, i would be fine with it.

and where did he imply anything you're so afraid of? you're all twisting what he said, or rather not getting it at all, focusing on few words your brains catched, and turning it into a drama. get a hold of yourselves FFS.