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Originally posted by intrptr
I thought the people chose barabas to be let go and jesus executed?
Because when it comes to crimes, Barabas was convicted of murder and Jesus was convicted of being ... disliked.
This is just further evidence of the charade, and how once again they tried to lesson the blame on themselves…by making out that they left it in the hands of others
Originally posted by enterthestage
Herodias mom had Salome request the head of John the Baptist. He liked John but did it anyway. Later he thinks Christ is the risen John.
Originally posted by enterthestage
The Romans and the High Priest Ananias or Caiphas were the only ones who wanted Jesus AND James, the two most righteous men in the history of the world, dead.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
And you thought I was 60.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
I need Utnapisditim; (I am not sixty).
Originally posted by DISRAELI
An interesting theory worth serious consideration.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Just one detail;
Um, it was the Passover season, and Herod was supposed to be a Jew.
originally posted by: enterthestage
a reply to: chr0naut
Actually he was Syrian.
Edom wasn't a nation at that point.
Being Syrian which is Semitic and the destination for the lost tribes called lost sheep It's safe to say he was a Judean Semitic Israelite.
Asshur son of Jacob is the Patriarch of Assyria.
He was a legit Jew.
Regardless you can convert to Judaism legitimately it doesn't mean you're a fake Jew or the usual slanderous term Edomite.
Esau was Jacobs brother and a Semite who killed evil Nimrod and was swindled bthe admirably crafty Jacob.
And I am not bias, Jacob is my favorite character in the Bible story.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: chr0naut
Were the Edomites in general not conquered and forcibly converted during the Maccabean wars, making them technically of the Jewish religion? Herod was certainly Jewish enough to want to hear John the Baptist, even if he didn't want to listen.
I was not, of course, suggesting that Herod was a man who took Jewish commands very seriously. However, he might plausibly decide to make a Passover trip as part of his official observances.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: enterthestage
a reply to: chr0naut
Actually he was Syrian.
Edom wasn't a nation at that point.
Being Syrian which is Semitic and the destination for the lost tribes called lost sheep It's safe to say he was a Judean Semitic Israelite.
Asshur son of Jacob is the Patriarch of Assyria.
He was a legit Jew.
Regardless you can convert to Judaism legitimately it doesn't mean you're a fake Jew or the usual slanderous term Edomite.
Esau was Jacobs brother and a Semite who killed evil Nimrod and was swindled bthe admirably crafty Jacob.
And I am not bias, Jacob is my favorite character in the Bible story.
Syria is East of Lebanon and to the North East of Israel. It sits above and to the West of modern Iraq, bordering in its North with Turkey.
Edom is to the South of Israel, South West of what used to be Moab in what is now Transjordan.
As we are discussing the lineage of Herod Antipas, Edom had been a kingdom for at least 1,000 years previously and had been ruled by the Nabatean tribes (from which Herod Antipas's granfather hailed) for 200 years but had become part of the Roman block of Judea, Samaria and Idumea which stretched from the sea to Jordan river and nearly to Nazareth in the North and Beersheba (near to the bottom of the Dead Sea) in the south.
Herod the Great, Antipas's father was granted kingship of Judea by the Roman Senate in 40 BC but did not take up residence there until he could raise an army to conquer Jerusalem by force, which he did in 37 BC. Herod was not acknowledged as a Jew but as a foreign conqueror, an "Idumean" (latin and greek for "from the land of Edom").
Herod the Great's kingdom was divided up between his sons, Herod Archelaus, Herod Antipas and their half-brother Herod Philip II.
The Jew, Asshur may be patron of Assyria but we are talking about someone who hails from Edom, another nation entirely.
Also, Esau, also called Edom, was the older brother of Jacob, from whom the 12 Jewish tribes descended, but he was not included in those tribes. He was the first Edomite.
originally posted by: enterthestage
a reply to: chr0naut
Actually he was Syrian.
Edom wasn't a nation at that point.
Being Syrian which is Semitic and the destination for the lost tribes called lost sheep It's safe to say he was a Judean Semitic Israelite.
Asshur son of Jacob is the Patriarch of Assyria.
He was a legit Jew.
Regardless you can convert to Judaism legitimately it doesn't mean you're a fake Jew or the usual slanderous term Edomite.
Esau was Jacobs brother and a Semite who killed evil Nimrod and was swindled bthe admirably crafty Jacob.
And I am not bias, Jacob is my favorite character in the Bible story.
originally posted by: enterthestage
a reply to: chr0naut
That wasn't a sarcastic thanks on the Edomite information because I actually don't know Edomite history.
Of course I will have to see if it is correct, Thanks still.
Although you are under the impression that Nazareth was a town when I know for a fact no possibility of proving it was exists and the Nazarene was supposed to be the translation not of Nazareth.
So I don't think I can trust your information but I will consider that you just didn't know that and give benefit of doubt.
originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: enterthestage
Originally posted by enterthestage
Herodias mom had Salome request the head of John the Baptist. He liked John but did it anyway. Later he thinks Christ is the risen John.
Hmmm… you mean She not He right…?
Originally posted by enterthestage
The Romans and the High Priest Ananias or Caiphas were the only ones who wanted Jesus AND James, the two most righteous men in the history of the world, dead.
edit on 23-8-2016 by enterthestage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by enterthestage
Herodias mom had Salome request the head of John the Baptist. He liked John but did it anyway. Later he thinks Christ is the risen John.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Hmmm… you mean She not He right…?
Originally posted by enterthestage
Only if Herod is a she. He heard about Christ and thought it was John risen, last time I read it that's what it says. She may have informed him of Christ but I don't mean she, no.
Originally posted by enterthestage
Pass the buck and c.y.a. seems to be the preferred method of this illegal execution. I think it's (the story) saying nobody wants responsibility for it except the Sadducees, they don't mind at all and are covering themselves legally (craftily).
Originally posted by enterthestage
Pilate is feigning righteous disdain for the Sadducees but he is in on it too. He "washes his hands" of it (bloody hands Pontius!).
Originally posted by enterthestage
Herod is a total sociopath who fears Rome because he is a Syrian Jew. He thinks if he doesn't decapitate John and persecute Jesus the Romans will remove him from power. The decapitation of John who he admired was just because he wanted to keep his word. Coward!
Originally posted by enterthestage
Never forget the final story has Roman pens all over it too.