July 2016 Was The Hottest Month Ever Recorded

a reply to: TheRedneck

So in essence you are making a "Too big to fail" argument surrounding domestic oil production.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

At this point, yes.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Hmmm... Scary. But I don't want to let "too big too fail" arguments sway me. The right thing needs to be done and these oil companies need to be held accountable for lying to the public for so long, massively delaying solutions research, obfuscating the conversation, and edging us closer and closer to a tipping point that we cannot return from the longer this conversation goes on.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Discotech

All I see here are excuses why you don't want to help things all while "tsk tsking" that I'm not doing enough to help things.

Because I'm not the one telling others of impending doom.

The reality is, I personally don't care, so the Earth gets hotter and the human race becomes extinct.... So what ? We wouldn't be the first or last species to go extinct and it's not as if Earth is going to be around forever because the Sun only has a finite life cycle before it wipes out the solar system

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I understand your convictions. I just don't agree with them. Remember this: depressing the economy will also slow all the self-funded research I mentioned. For me, feeding my family comes first.

The old saying, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face," comes to mind.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Discotech

Your argument is so weak. I'm going to put your argument in different terms. "I should just shoot myself in the head now since everyone will die eventually. Why should I work to stay alive when we will all be dead eventually anyways?"

Yeah. That's how ridiculous your argument is.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Well I guess we'll have to wait and see; it's just that I don't feel like this culture of denialism will go away until we hold the assholes responsible who are pushing it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Is it the oil companies who are pushing it, or is it the people who use energy (us)?

TheRedneck

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's not an argument, it's an opinion with a reason of why I hold said opinion

You're the one declaring impending doom, you're the one who should be doing something about it, if it's as dangerous as you claim it to be

But you've heard of the boy who cried wolf right ?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

We're in a global period of anti-intellectualism and politics superseding science imo. People are struggling and conflict is defining the zeitgeist. Unless a political change occurs with a consensus, nothing will change...at least, not enough to matter. It might already be beyond our collective power to influence it anyway with tipping points being so disputed.

Honestly, I'm enjoying the hot weather and wish we had the ability to control the climate like turning a thermostat.

Despite that, the unforeseen consequences could potentially run us over and create circumstances that render First World populations into economic decline. Who knows?

Future generations might take a different view and curse our decisions.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I've been saying this for awhile now, but in my opinion, its long past time to stop bickering over the cause(s) and start focusing more on figuring out what's going to happen and how we're going to cope with it.

I think even the folks who don't believe scientific measurements (such as average global temperature) can agree that reducing environmental impact is a good thing.

I would love to know for sure why the temperature is rising and weather patterns changing, just out of curiosity and the possible ability to find answers, but I feel like the debate should be primarily focused on how to deal with the continuing trend, rather than whether to blame humans, Earth Itself, solar activity or whatever.

Nobody wants to be bickering over the cause while South Texas is sitting under a glacier, or to find your mail is being delivered by Kevin Costner and his gills, so I wish everyone could just admit the readings are correct, nobody is 100% certain where to assign what percentage of blame, and that we should analyze whats likely to happen if trends continue and how we're going to cope with it.

a reply to: avgguy

One of the best ways is stopping immigration of millions of third world people from countries where they had a tiny carbon foot print to first world countires were they increase their carbon foot print 100x at least and have many more children with a much higher mortality rate and lifespan.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TheRedneck

Hmmm... Scary. But I don't want to let "too big too fail" arguments sway me. The right thing needs to be done and these oil companies need to be held accountable for lying to the public for so long, massively delaying solutions research, obfuscating the conversation, and edging us closer and closer to a tipping point that we cannot return from the longer this conversation goes on.

I just wish carbon taxes weren't in the conversation. It's not fair to punish citizens for problems that the system the corporations and governments set up for us to live in have caused.

I don't usually agree with your positions, but if you'd just admit that the current solutions provided by the very same people that caused the problem are actually part of the problem, you might get more of the civil discourse I think you're trying to foster.

That last sentence was super long. I hope you can make heads or tails of it.

Edit for clarity: The foxes are guarding the hen houses.

pretty cool here and we are at alititude.85

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What, you want me to say it was the hottest July I can ever remember? It wasn't. Not even close.

Hottest temps in July were 114 degrees back in the 70's. While there have been some warm summers, none were/are anything out of the ordinary, for this area, anyway. Now rain wise? That's a whole 'nother discussion. This is the wettest spring and summer we've had in years, but it's drying up again...

I don't think we've cleared 100 degrees save in downtown where all the concrete, asphalt, and buildings are. Outside of town, it's been mid-90's at worst. Of course, the hottest part of the summer, the next three weeks, is still to come.

a reply to: Rapha

Really? Than do tell, why my little city, a prison city just chock full of sinners and their equally (in many cases) horrible families has had a cooler than normal summer? A bit wetter than in the past half decade or so, too...

Inquiring minds would like to know.

originally posted by: Discotech
a reply to: Krazysh0t

If it was such a devastating problem then why isn't anybody doing anything about it ?

Arguing with those who disagree with you on the internet isn't going to solve any global warming cataclysmic event now is it ?

The fact that very little beyond attempts to make money off it is being done suggests that it's either

A: Not important enough or B: Out of our control

C: The most powerful country on Earth (the U.S.A.) is pissing around doing # all because its political system is broken and special interests (oil/coal) have deep pockets with which to buy 'skepticism' and 'I'm not a scientist, but' remarks by its politicians.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The only way to get more solutions open, at this point, is to completely and absolutely reject the concept of a carbon tax en masse. If that were to happen, the political influence would stop, the doom predictions would no longer be profitable, the climatologists wouldn't have to worry about ensuring 'proper' results, and other researchers would start feeling secure enough to release their work.

That's just not going to happen. It is what it is.

Years and years of bitching about the carbon tax, and I have yet to see it around anywhere.

It's a stupid idea, like a lot of other economic thought, but it sure holds makes for a boogeyman.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Bluntone22

Are you actually admitting this is a problem?

I will definitely admit the earth is warming.
I doubt man has caused the warming.
I doubt man can stop the warming.
I doubt that it will destroy the planet.
A hundred years from now we will have some other doom porn to worry about.

Have you ever left your car out in the sun in the summer with the windows up and noticed it considerably warmer inside?

It's sorta like the greenhouse effect. Shortwave radiation passes through the windows, strikes the interior, and the much cooler interior emits longwave radiation. This has difficulty escaping the car through convection and continues to build up.

If you roll the windows down a bit, it tends to be cooler, but still can be warmer. Increasing a greenhouse gas like carbon dioxide is more akin to rolling the windows up a wee bit.

Weird. This has been a cool summer in my area. We have temps in the low 60s every night and haven't needed an air conditioner while past summers have been unbearable. My lawns are green, green, green and lots of rain this July, also so far in Aug.