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CERN Probes Mock Sacrifice re: Leaked Video - Follow Up & More on Occult Influence

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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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Link to topic article: Follow up


Mock Rituals at CERN




About a week ago a story broke on ATS and elsewhere regarding a mock sacrifice taking place on Cern grounds outside its Shiva statue: original thread can be found here.

We duduced it was indeed on Cern's gounds, in between building 39/40

The video has now been flagged inappropriate by the Youtube community.

And in response to a flurry of emails asking for answers from the esteemed scientific institution, they have released public details denouncing the actions. Though they've decided it's an internal matter.


Top European lab Cern probes fake human sacrifice video

GENEVA (AFP) - The European Organisation for Nuclear Research (Cern) has launched an investigation into a video filmed at night on its Geneva campus depicting a mock ritual human sacrifice, a spokeswoman said Wednesday (Aug 17).

The bizarre video which has circulated online for days shows several individuals in black cloaks gathering in a main square at Europe's top physics lab, in what appears to be a re-enactment of an occult ceremony.

The video includes the staged "stabbing" of a woman.


I was wondering if we would see a response at all. And while they've made comments to the public, it seems a rather lacklustre response. I know many's opinion will be something along the lines of "oh god who cares...! it's a joke lighten up." but the problem is that we have numerous world leaders and influential scientists (in history & antiquity) who take these kinds of things very seriously. Even mock rituals are something these people participate in, and the purpose & intent is serious in nature - and/or may lead into other kinds of rituals which are not as benign.

There is a history of Occultism & Babylonian Deity worship throughout the formation of our modern world, institutions, law & science, largely ignored by modern society today. At the very least it should be something that's addressed or explained, especially if "it means nothing" or "isn't important" or "just for jokes"


"These scenes were filmed on our premises, but without official permission or knowledge," a Cern spokeswoman told AFP in an e-mail.

"Cern does not condone this type of spoof, which can give rise to misunderstandings about the scientific nature of our work," she added.

The "investigation" under way was an "internal matter", she said.

The video has raised questions about security on Cern's campus.




History of the Shiva, god of destruction statue on the grounds of CERN.


The Occult - Babylonian Gods - Sacrifice & Rituals & Links to Modern Day




Shiva

The Founder of the Left Hand Path. This is Sanat Kumara, the form of the formless, infinite Spirit, Shiva. Sanat Kumara is an eastern name for Lucifer, the Light Bringer who brought the secrets of alchemy and gnosis to Earth. Shiva-Sanat's teachings are compiled into the Tantras, the esoteric texts on alchemy, yoga and Kundalini activation....as well as in the texts of Kashmir Shaivism, which is the purest example of gnostic theology on Earth


When you track down the Occult histories, looking for clear examples of which gods were which, or who represents who over the span of the globe it gets very confusing. As Babylonian gods ceased being worshiped (the fall of Paganism) Christianity formed a monotheistic religion, and Judaic peoples followed as well, previous to this everyone had many gods & deities they worshipped. Because of prevailing powers, Occultists would often cloak or "veil" the true teachings of their gods' histories in parable, allegory and symbology. So in essence, you can actually find links between almost all the individual gods taking place of their rivals or equals.

Shiva is just another form of Lucifer being worshipped in the far east in India - they used to worship Lucifer in many forms , like Baal, Marduk, Moloch the Golden Calf, Dagon the god fish, Horus the Falcon , Anobis the jackle, etc



Shiva can be related to the Morning Star, or Lucifer, the light bringer***. Also, keep an open mind, as there's a Hebrew scholar who mentioned how Lucifer in Biblical writings is essentially only mentioned in a single instance "How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer son of the morning." & any links between him & the Devil are tenuous creations/translations/interpretations.

The Trinity - or 3 faces of Shiva:


Notice on the right,
Baroness Marie-Helene de Rothschild & Baron Alexis de Rede - House party 1972

Canaanites (Phoenicians) & bull worship



The bull is tied to the Canaanite deity of Moloch or Melek, where they would burn their first borns in sacrifice to the god, in a large minotaur statue. The bull, is also represented or connected to various gods/demi-gods/deities - Poseidon, Mithras, El, Saturn, Kronos, YVWH, Seth, Apis



There's an interesting link between Moloch & rainbows:

Rainbows are also symbolic of the ancient worship of Moloch. At the end of the rainbow there are treasures that leprechaun would do anything to get back. It is depicted as a cauldron filled with gold. Again, it is the financial blessings that Moloch gave you in return for the sacrifice. These cauldrons were used in occult practices, including the sadistic bobbing for apples (see the occult symbolism found in Halloween).


To know the secret of the Rainbow, watch Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut: The subtle & not so sublte meanings behind EWS. In the movie, each area of normal, blinded life is filled with rainbow colors/lights. At one point two woman ask Cruise's character, "want to go where the rainbow ends?" & then we enter a stark contrast, a world beneath our visible world filled with secret Occult rituals which is hidden from the Profane.

Profane = Uninitiated.

Occult truths are hidden or 'veiled' in mystery, using symbology, allegory or various forms of secretism. Those who are not initiated into the Occult arts, a specific cult or sect, cannot decrypt the true meaning, as it lies behind a cypher, explaining the real beliefs for those who study the arts. These secrets not only lie hidden to outsiders, but even within the societies themselves, to prevent double-agents or ulterior motives from usurping the power of Occult knowledge. Occult root meaning = to cut off from view by imposing something.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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There is no god in the bible



To highlight the difference in translations I think it's imperative people read or view Mauro Biglino's literal interpretations of the oldest Masoretic bible - a foundation for each Judea-Christian religion hence. Amazingly, there are mirrors in the literal translations that match what is known of the Meso-American gods of Incan/Mayan/Aztec region, almost perfectly. The sacrifices made to the gods, involved a first born, or animals, but always death & burning the flesh. It's said that the gods themselves god 'high' or were physically affected by the burning of flesh. Hence the long traditions of sacrifice; but in the origins, a very practical and material application of this.

Biglino was an official translator for the Vatican, and translated numerous works for them, until he published his own book, outlining the literal translations. The Vatican promptly fired him. His works suggest that ‘gods walking amongst man’ was a very real & tangible, literal era of history. But these gods were not divine or omnipotent, simply the product of extremely advanced development. Of course, even with this revelation it makes one consider the implications of their origin, it may confirm them as ETs, but from where? As other dimensions, especially if those dimensions interact with ours, it means in effect they could still exude or function nearly identical to the mythic personas bestowed upon them.

The Creation of Civilization - Laws and Covenants



This is something I’m going to hit on in another thread I’m working on, but a basic preview is that if you go back to all the interactions with gods, during biblical and pre-biblical times, they all speak of “Covenants” or essentially, Contracts, with gods. In Meso-America, they spoke of Covenants lasting 50 years, when finished the god would leave, a new would arise. The “Ark of the Covenant” has an alternative history, the "Ark of the Contract”

From the beginning of civilization (the Hammurabi Code) to the Magna Carta, to Constitution et al, our entire understanding of contracts and formal agreements come from the covenant with gods. This is also why you see people claim “the Illuminati forewarn people of what they’re doing.” & the very notion sounds absurd, that some kind of hidden message in media would lay out plans of evil, sinister forces, but its rooted in ancient tradition taught to man by the gods. Covenants must be made. Even should it be deceptive or a type of trickery be used, the release of intent is no different than posting a public notice for repairs or modifications made to a house, in a housing community with zoning regulations.




Egyptian Connection


The image that Mauro Biglino presents seems very materialistic, it doesn’t remove the meta-physical or spiritual implications entirely. There are other sources that suggests the same gods possessed or were ‘reborn’ into various vessels, although I don’t have direct translations for those myths or legends, they do seem constant across numerous cults & histories. It’s possible the ‘gods’ took a less hands on approach. There’s also the possibility that their involvement in Human affairs was forbidden (in fact it almost sounds like an illegal human cloning operation, for drug production off sacrificed blood & burnt flesh. I haven’t got a chance to read Mauro’s entire works, so Im not sure how “god’s” wrath or the flood plays into it entirely.)

Another source worthy of reading, the Book of Enoch, which basically sounds like a villager being taken up to a starship, and shown around-introduced to prisoners, walking the halls of the Captain & its crew.

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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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You are about to get confused - please don't adjust your television







CONFUSION - When they speak of ’scattering the languages’ re:the Tower of Babel, consider the language in the context of gods/deities. The true confusion lies therein. You are meant to be confused.

Not only are we challenged with cult secrets and Occult Adepts, hiding their true meanings of their texts & gods in code, but you also have opposing information, enemies of whichever god (their followers) who seek to assign each god, not their own, as Satan or some other demonic or evil force. This causes incredibly problems, as even the most trusted sources can be an effort to hide or manipulate future students/initiates. I'm not going to disregard these formations and comparisons or links established, it’s up for the reader to find their own meaning or truths within



For instance, some equate Lucifer with Hermes Trismegistus an Adept thought to be the progeny of Moses & distant predecessor to Ptuh; and the founder of the Hermetic tradition. Hermes Trismegistus (WIKI)is considered distinct from the Greek god, and is attributed the works of Hermetic Corpus & the Emerald Tablet a foundation of spiritual/alchemic teachings which crosses over many disciplines.

Hermes Trismegistus, an Adept traveller imparting knowledge to man, lighting the paths of darkness, said to have lived and travelled for eternity in a man's eye, teaching as he went. Though he's known by almost every civilization, or there are myths and legends or histories about him, no one can peg perfectly or in a historically reliable way, everything there is to know about him. What's known is he was a wise teacher & the Hermetic tradition continues to this day, and it heavily influenced numerous disciplines over the years.






They say that this Hermes left his own country and traveled all over the world…; and that he tried to teach men to revere and worship one God alone, …the demiurgus and genetor [begetter] of all things; …and that he lived a very wise and pious life, occupied in intellectual contemplation…, and giving no heed to the gross things of the material world…; and that having returned to his own country, he wrote at the time many books of mystical theology and philosophy.1


Consider a tribe or multiple tribes/cults/sects, that perhaps knew the same god, or demigod, or spiritual adept (whichever truth you adhere to), and they are later incorporated into a larger empire (like Greece), now consider how many references there could be to a single god. That's not even including when they incorporate one, into another as protection to cover for the first. The idea though, is that like Shiva, Hermes Trismegistus was a 'light-bringer', invoked and taught the trinity, and a slew of other similarities. Frustrating as you can find them across many disciplines out of multiple sacred texts. Eventually you will considering that all gods may as well be the same (hint of sarcasm).

I'm sure ATS is aware of the Hermetic principle of As Above so Below (or at least read it before):



Hint: double it, flip one upside down.
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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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Moving on to the ritual performed by heads of state and power brokers across the world, members of the Bohemian Grove. The Grove itself is symbolic of old Canaanite tradition’s of making sacrifices to their deities hidden away in a designated Grove. The following is a bit slanted on Christian interpretation but nonetheless highlights this:


There were certain practices, and places that were designated for designated for these types of practices. The "Grove" was on such place. The Grove was also called a "high place". This was a place where the spirit of evil and all kinds of lasciviousness was at its highest pinnacle. Usually, the Grove was not in an open place or easily seen by others. Neither was the worship in the Grove done openly. It was secret worship with secret ritual and ceremony. Only those designated could attend worship in the Grove and most of them were considered to be priests of the idol that was worshiped.




They burn a human effigy into the fires at the base of the Owl. The Owl of Minerva, representing Knowledge & Wisdom.

Yet, it’s very similar to the same ritual sacrifice performed to Moloch in years past.



Syncretismcombining of different beliefs, while blending practices of various schools of thought


...happens quite commonly in areas where multiple religious traditions exist in proximity and function actively in the culture, or when a culture is conquered, and the conquerors bring their religious beliefs with them, but do not succeed in entirely eradicating the old beliefs…


This is another form of “veiling” or “re-veiling” also related to “reveal” and Velum, the source etymology meaning ‘veil’. re-Velum, reveal. In any case, there is an argument for the Owl used by Bohemian Grove, that it has been veiled, or masked in syncretism

The “official” origins, is worship of Athena - the patroness of crafts, especially “weaving” & goddess of knowledge, truth and moral values - her appearance was gleaming eyes, a bird deity/Owl
(which is a direct relation to Lillith - the Screech Owl).


Then the Owl of Minerva was incorporated into Athena, often seen on her hand. The Owl representing Wisdom, Strategy & Arts. Now, here is where the connections come into play. The Behemian Grove does a ‘play’ every year, the Midsummer’s Night Dream. Footage of the ritual is below.



The events culminate in the sacrifice of a human effigy to the giant Owl statue with burning flames at the base (almost identical to Moloch rituals) and the entire point is the “cremation of care”



Previously I mentioned Phoenician/Canaanite rituals almost identical to this - where people would sacrifice their first born, and other possessions, and in turn it would negate any moral liabilities they had for the year. The time spent in the grove is reflective of its motto ”weaving spiders come not here



Here’s an important interpretation: Consider that Athena was a Goddess of crafts-specifically = weaving. Are you following yet? Because Athena was the original goddess, she is the weaving goddess, but they are telling everyone, Minerva seeks no weaving spiders. The outward answer or explanation to the Profane, is that it simply means “do not come and seek work, because its a time for relaxation” but the weaving spider slogan is seen all over where Minerva Owl Sigils reside.





There are numerous Owls in modern day institutions and throughout media, also built in to our very nations foundations. Not only that but there are also Owl effigies/statues/icons/plates etc, with the motto “weaving spiders come not here" but they are not in a place of relaxation. So why then does the motto remain? I posit that the motto itself is the secret renouncing of the Owls relation to Minerva/Athena & instead a declaration to the hidden deity it truly represents for the disciples of this craft.


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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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From the script of the play which accompanies the ritual of burning the effigy:


For behold, here is Bohemia’s Shrine and holy are the pillars of this house.
Weaving spiders, come not here!


Consider this is “Bohemia’s Shrine” not Minerva’s, not the Athena’s, specifically, Bohemia, the Grove. (A Grove being where old Canaanite rituals took place)

The most important part however, is that they try to burn the effigy, and they fail. They are burning away “care” (literally, burning away morals for the year) and the spirit of morality blows out the flames.

They then call on Minerva:


O thou, great symbol of all mortal wisdom, Owl of Bohemia, we do beseech thee,


And with its help they burn the effigy. Some say Minerva is representative of Lillith, some think it’s simply the Owl of Minerva/Athena, and others have linked Moloch (as the rites are similar to the old Phoenician rituals.

Consider this though - the following is directly from the play, which they refer to the Owl as a male, which eliminates Minerva/Athena, as well as Lillith:


The owl is in his leafy temple; let all within the Grove be reverent before him.


Of course as I showed earlier, some gods were considered to be an embodiment of numerous gods, that they returned under different names, or were made up over multiple personalities, varying in sex.

The other point that is made, direct reference to Tyre’s battlements, the ancient port city of Phoenicians. So there is direct reference to the Canaanites in the ritual.

I haven’t made a final decision, but I present it for peoples’ consideration. Remember that cults, sects & clans have often masked their true deity over the years. Technically just about everyone can be represented by their opposite. Only those in the highest levels of the societies or cults will have the full picture.

Linke to Grove Rites

Though in elite circles, the Horned God is often mentioned. This includes so many variations though, it’s hard to even get into where it begins and ends. From El & all the bulls (with horns) to Pan & the Deer God, all the incarnations since.



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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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The Minerva Initiative (Occult references in the public domain)





50+ Million Dollar Program - Centered on research for finding new & improved ways of dangling the puppet strings over foreign governments.

Now, let’s look —— the DOD’s latest initiative: The Minerva Initiative - an applied psychology attempt to identify key targets for later execution of specialized targeted tactics. aka: “social research" otherwise known as psychological warfare. It doesn’t completely explain the long term purpose, or what the research will facilitate, but it doesn’t take a genius to put Owl & Bull together.

minerva.dtic.mil...




Examples:

the identification of structural features in communities or nation-states that can be leveraged to increase the resiliency, alter the distribution of power, support deterrence activities or stabilize or destabilize communities.

...what special challenges does a declining state face when striving to preserve its sphere of influence? The project will then explore a range of means (military, international institutions, economic policy, diaspora relations) that a state can employ in support of a sphere of influence or a regional order, or both.




What other links are there to Occult/Government

Connections of the Occult to “Elites”

The Skull & Bones Society is notorious after George Bush & other modern politicians had their membership disseminated among the public. The Order has numerous influences directly from the original Bavarian Illuminati, & many powerful members over the years.

The strength in this order & others like it, is where juniors do not know the seniors above them or alumni, but the elders or alumni are totally aware of the juniors. This means they can call on the younger initiated any time its needed, but they are unable out anything over those who might pressure or leverage the secrets they give up during initiation rites (disclosing secrets or forcing them into crimes to use as leverage)



One of the most controversial videos related to the society however, is a reportedly undercover video of their initiation rites. Christians note that sounds from the ritual sound similar to exorcisms done by priests.

The following video, I assume to be real as it was hosted by ABC News:



An important number to Skull & Bones is 322 - many Christians are critical of this, suggesting it = 666.

Some people like to link this interview with Tim Russert & Bush/Kerry and imply that he died shortly after grilling Kerry/Bush on Skull & Bones. This is incorrect though. The interviews happened 2004, his death was 2008 I believe:




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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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Quick Summary




Hopefully this isn't too confusing, I had some other notes I'd have liked to put in, but Im bad at bookmarking certain important nuggets when reading old texts. Essentially I was trying to raise the point that:

1-there is a large influence of hidden worship & Occult practices in government. It's much more pervasive and 'serious' than most people give it due credit for.

2-Given the fact that not only do we have these things within our highest institutions of power, the 'mock' ritual and 'joke' at CERN, is more of a concern than I think people give it credit for. It should be at the very least, not simply hidden away as an 'internal discipline matter' or whatever they wish to cite it as.

3-The fact that I probably confused people as to what gods were what, or who was worshipping what... Yes! if you felt that way, that's the point. Im planning on following up on this with a multi-part thread series, based on varying interpretations of the ancient mysteries.

4-The whole idea though is that many of these gods were purposefully, and secretly disguised as others. They had to! Not only does it make it confusing, and bring many questions into the world of religious authority, but there are also accusations, and signs of hidden subversion throughout each religion. Some even accuse a certain group of creating one of the Monotheistic religions from scratch, on purpose.

That's about it, if you made it this far, thanks for reading. I'm not trying to scare anyone, and I meant to leave various options open to the reader, so they can interpret it as they see fit. Those who are fond of Biglino & materialism, may chalk all of it up to nonsense. Christians might see demonic/satanic orders, others might see harmless games. The truth is in the eye of the beholder.

Some related links:



Wiki: Nazi & Occultism

Wiki: Operation PAPERCLIP - Which brought over Nazi scientists & their body of work.

Nazi Bell - Die Glocke Rumoured to have been given secrets from other wordily beings. Die Glocke was a mysterious project also rumoured to exist, possibly covered in Occult symbolism. Stories (legend) say it ran of large amounts of Mercury, spun into a vortex & ultra-violet light emanated from it as it activated; radiation or other poisoning debilitated or killed the workers.

Additional Links:

Occult history of Jack Parsons, founder of JPL (often remarked as Jack Parsons Lab) - officially forgotten/mostly by NASA, while omitted from many histories, his legend lives on with a Moon crater in his name, the inventor of mixed solid rocket fuel, & JATO rocket assisted airplane take off.

www.touregypt.net...

Seth - God of Confusion

EL - Wiki

Origins of Monotheism from a Polytheistic culture

Occult Histories of Isaac Newton - Newton who presumably needs no introduction

dangerousminds.net...

io9.gizmodo.com...

www.markswatson.com...

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

www.wakingtimes.com...

bethelburnett.blogspot.ca...
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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:41 PM
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When humans do weird stuff, i have a hard time following..



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
When humans do weird stuff, i have a hard time following..






Second.


Bizarre people with even more bizarre beliefs.

Interesting read though Boncho. I wonder why FermiLab hasnt seen this type of stuff.
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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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Of course, there is always the chance that the statue of Shiva was selected because the aim of CERNs biggest project at the LHC, is to smash things together so violently that the energy released and the particles given off, provide scientific data to be read through and made sense of.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:01 PM
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Had anyone the balls to actually tell those devious scientists, you conCERNed folks think their logo is derived from the 666 and not from rings and injector points? I'd like to see how that turned out though.



I'm actually wondering why you didn't even mention their logo anymore, what's up with that?



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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nope, what we have is failure to be upstanding persons ( the leaders these days ).....we're in a spiritual war, I don't have to say, huh!!!

We're surrounded well.....but we're invincible....._javascript:icon('')
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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:06 PM
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They are trying to make CERN look like Google HC, but are playing dangerous "games" there...

Glad someone actually emailed them, I know people shared the video on their FB page, but got almost no attention.

Internal investigation, more like a slap in the wrist with a smile and a "dont tease the plebeians" we dont need that kind of attention..
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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:09 PM
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Wow! Now this is the type of information overload threads i love. Great job OP!
See ya in an hour or so after reading it all



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:13 PM
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Duude just skimming this over... I know people say it all the time but THIS is the kind of thread that got me hooked on this site. Wether I agree with you or not doesn't matter, I so very much appreciate the break from Hillary and Trump and SJWs.

Thanks for putting in the time to Tickle my Brain.
Da reply to: boncho



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:14 PM
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Wow! Another great boncho thread. Bookmarked!
Thank you!
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posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:16 PM
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Interesting read though Boncho. I wonder why FermiLab hasnt seen this type of stuff.


Actually that's a great point, it's time to check out if there's any Occult rumours floating around the other labs. I don't mean to ignore the religious paranoia out there on Youtube with "Cern is creating a black hole portal to release the Demons" ----and, it's very reasonable to assume some guys at Cern/LHC saw some of them, and wanted to do a play on it.

The problem is the seriousness of the subject, not so much by them, but others in government. Secrets we simply aren't privy to. Would be interesting to see if there's any links to other labs. If its merely a memetic creation out of perceived threat, or if there is some underlying reason or connection.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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this is ATS, good job, need more this, need less politics



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:35 PM
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Some of the oldest Phoenician coins depict owls.



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Its funny how their motto is "weaving spiders come not here." It seems they are the weaving spiders.

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Speaking about occultism in general - either it is a lot of bull# on top bull#.. or maybe there is something to it. In either case it seems pretty stupid.

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I don't know if you can say Shiva worship is Lucifer worship. They are such different concepts. Shiva is conceptualized in many ways - the creator/destroyer, a deity/god. Coincidentally he holds a Trishula - a 3 pronged fork (weapon?) the same as held by Poseidon and some depictions of the devil.



posted on Aug, 17 2016 @ 09:38 PM
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oh god who cares...! it's a joke lighten up.




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