Poll Shows Young Voters Rejecting Trump at Record Rate

a reply to: olaru12

I'm actually hoping he shows up to the debates. That way, she'll articulately pulverize him and his slim chances at winning the presidency. His crass debating style worked wonders when the Repub candidates were trying to "out crazy" each other in the Republican race. But it will backfire tremendously when trying to sway the rest of the country.

I'm actually slightly expecting him to show up for one debate, get crushed, get depressed because of the constant reports of him getting humiliated, and then refuse to show up to any more. It would've been better to see Bernie crush him though, but whatever...

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: MrSpad
35 and under tend to be DNC or more than other generations independents.

There's an old saying about that...

Well they skewed GOP during the 80s until the then flipped DNC, then flipped GOP and now would normally be flipping GOP again. They have never gone the same way for more than 2 elections. If the GOP had nominated somebody moderate like Kasich they likely would have flipped. Just as it is very rare for the same party to hold the White House for more than two cycles. This was really the GOPs election to lose. In particular when early polling at the start of the primaries shown that everybody leading Clinton in head to head polling except Cruz who tied with her and Trump who lost to her. Which makes the fact those were the last to standing in the Primaries in interesting look at how out of touch the GOP had gotten with most of the nation.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

He can't use a teleprompter for a debate and any craziness will be on display to a national audience and will be heavily reported in the media. If he tries his usual personal attacks it's going to look like he's picking on a woman which won't help him with female voters. Fiorina was the only one who shut him down for being a jerk in the GOP debates.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Pulverise? Nah, but it will be interesting. I, unlike Trump haters, will admit Hillary is a very smart person. Manipulative. She has 'visited' with foreign heads of state and surely had discussions with many in high ranking places but did she ever implement anything other than a donation and a favor? Someone like this will 'bargain' with our country.

The debates will be telling because there will be less control than the DNC sponsored scripted comedy with Mr Sanders. Man, all of those poor schmucks out there thinking he was going to do it.

Hillary also takes no #. Trump has shown his ass tons of times but she is the calm collected one. The day after that debate will be filled with Hillary eye roll commercials. You know it... I think she will finally come unglued. She has not had any confrontation as of late and it will be interesting to see how she acts.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Yep. I also believe his usual barrage of pointing at random bogeymen will backfire, especially with younger voters. People seem to forget just how diverse the younger generations of Americans are. I'm hoping Hillary baits him into some of his typical anti-immigrant comments, because that kind of fearmongering won't work on them either.

a reply to: matafuchs

She handled herself well enough against Bernie and 2008's Obama, who are both vastly better debaters than Trump. Not to mention, her previous times in powerful positions will give her infinitely more experience than Trump on virtually every political issue.

Remember something, regardless of what many people on ATS would have us believe, the vast majority of Americans aren't trying to overthrow our political system. In fact, the vast majority of Americans don't seem to give a crap about politics at all, as long as specific offices and programs are there when they need them. So all Hillary needs to do is show up and present herself like a responsible professional, which will contrast immensely with Trump's usual bullying debate style. I'd guess that and a few well placed verbal jabs at Trump would be enough to send him off the deep end, right into his typical waterfall of insults. In short, she just needs to appear calm and professional while "triggering" him into a frenzy.

I realize that I probably come off like a Hillary supporter. But I've studied her for a long time in my attempts to "dethrone" her. But she and the Clinton Machine are truly formidable foes. You can't "half step" against them and expect to win. A "compassionate conservative" probably could've beaten her this year, especially if they kept bringing up her past policy positions and hypocrisy w/the Drug War, minorities, the TPP, and more. But Trump's style and abrasive rhetoric has lost him the general election before it even started.

originally posted by: Kapriti
a reply to: Substracto

The other way to consider it is that he is retooling his team as he would a business. From the perspective of others it looks like chaos in the Trump-world, but for the Trump people they see it as simply meaning the adding of two extremely qualified people who can compliment Trump rather than trying to tame him (as Romney and McCain were 'moderated' to no good result).

Trump is adding people (2) and promoting some within the organization.

What's that make now, like 9 people?

I don't get where people say it's a shake up.

hillary has what, 217,000 people working for her?

Her people are getting murdered, no one says a thing.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: olaru12

I'm actually hoping he shows up to the debates. That way, she'll articulately pulverize him and his slim chances at winning the presidency. His crass debating style worked wonders when the Repub candidates were trying to "out crazy" each other in the Republican race. But it will backfire tremendously when trying to sway the rest of the country.

I'm actually slightly expecting him to show up for one debate, get crushed, get depressed because of the constant reports of him getting humiliated, and then refuse to show up to any more. It would've been better to see Bernie crush him though, but whatever...

Oh, HE WILL be there but will she?

He'll have her "short circuiting" and seizureing in no time.

She'll need an IV drip of that diaphrampozine stuff or that big guy with a dart gun, stage left.

Maybe they all can sit around on pillows while debating. Some nice tea and a bartender for hillary.

It will be yuuuuge! I can't wait!

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Then you'll wake up from your dream and see numerous ATS threads asking if Trump can recover from his blowout loss to Hillary in the debates.

I just want to see trump act like shes not even there really. Just do his thing. OR get in her face. really close and stand there. while debating. jerry springer should host.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Thanks for a detailed reply however.

She did not do well against Bernie and it was easy too. He never called her out and now we know why. Those could have been explosive debates but Bernie was on a chain...and they pulled it when needed. He was simply there so the DNC could say you had a choice a made it.

In 08 against Obama, no, she also did not fare well. It was not even on policy as much as it was Barack simply called her out. THat is something that you are not supposed to do to a Clinton. Although I did not vote for him i have to give him props for how he held himself against her and in almost all cases shut her down.

Her time in office to me was not about promoting US policy and making deals for us as much as for her. The SecState job was like the ability to tell everyone she would be POTUS soon and making deals.

The Clinton Machine is large but there is one thing they hate. He is not in their playbook. They were ready for Bush/Rubio and here we are coming up on the end of August and he is still here. MSM media will tell you he is tanking but that is not what I hear or see in mainstream America.

You hit the nail on the head here...

as long as specific offices and programs are there when they need them.

She is making sure to try to keep the 'minority' vote but she will not get the poor white guy vote and there are a lot more of them than minorities. They are tired of not having jobs. Not having a chance. So, when she loses 10-15% of the 'minority' vote she thinks she has in the bag she will be gravely mistaken.

Trump's style and abrasive rhetoric has won him the nomination. He is transitioning...he is just doing it as his pace and again, Hillary does not know how to counter it. TV ad's are a thing of the past. Social Media and a ground game will win this election.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I think both hillary and trump have so much dirt behind them that they will both come up looking bad in the debates.

Which is what I'm hoping for.

People treat the elections like it's a sports game. You're either on TEAM HILARRY or TEAM TRUMP. Both teams often ignore their candidates deeply troubling past.

I don't understand how anyone on ATS could be for either candidate. There is threads bashing hillary and trump. I don't see why we should play the game of "whos the best of the worst".

everyone I know is voting trump period.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I don't understand how anyone on ATS could be for either candidate. There is threads bashing hillary and trump. I don't see why we should play the game of "whos the best of the worst".

The presidency is not one person.

Best choice is to check voting records of those closely associated.

I voted for Obama because he said he was a methodical thinker. I look for the little things. Completely ignore all the political promises. That's a game for sure.

originally posted by: beeyotch
everyone I know is voting trump period.

As well as you.

"Like Minds"

I don't know any Trump voters because it's not the type people I would hang with.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Kapriti
a reply to: Substracto

The other way to consider it is that he is retooling his team as he would a business. From the perspective of others it looks like chaos in the Trump-world, but for the Trump people they see it as simply meaning the adding of two extremely qualified people who can compliment Trump rather than trying to tame him (as Romney and McCain were 'moderated' to no good result).

Trump is adding people (2) and promoting some within the organization.

What's that make now, like 9 people?

I don't get where people say it's a shake up.

hillary has what, 217,000 people working for her?

Her people are getting murdered, no one says a thing.

When its your top people it is a shake up. If a company hire two truck drivers it is no big deal. If a company hire two new CEOs and demotes the old one that is a shake up. And the I regret insulting everyone is the first move they are making to try and get back in this race.

Also in follow up interviews with young voters beyond all the other reasons people are not voting for Trump, another for the your is his continued harping on bring back low wage manufacturing jobs. They want high tech and modern economy jobs. So even if the could get beyond his behavior his message means nothing to them. They see it as the nation going backwards.

a reply to: MrSpad

Last I checked, tech jobs include manufacturing jobs in the tech fields.

If that's why 20-somethings are basing their vote against Trump on, then Clint Eastwood's generalization on them was 100% accurate.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Yeah, how dare young Americans want a living wage. We always hear that the US is the wealthiest country on Earth. Yet we're supposed to settle for low wage jobs and joining the ranks of the working poor? What kind of "American Dream" is that?

a reply to: blueman12

Seasoned politicians are good are "pivoting" from tricky questions. So at the very least, I expect Hillary to be able to pivot away from "gotcha questions". However, I fully expect Trump to fall for the bait (tricky questions), get triggered, and start his notorious bashing. So nope, I don't think the debate will make them both look bad (at least if Hillary is smart and focuses on looking & sounding like a rational alternative to Trump).

2nd, I think you're overly simplifying many people's stances on these 2 candidates. For instance, I don't expect any politician to follow through on most of their promises or policy proposals. But I do look at that candidate's record, their proposals, and their surrogates/allies to form my own conclusion on what that candidate will actually do. Then I choose the candidates that are most likely to implement my priorities and/or least likely to damage my priorities. I'm not looking for political saviors; just for people who'll represent my priorities.

So in this election, Stein is the candidate that best matches my ideals while Hillary defeating Trump would prevent the worse attacks on my priorities. And my choice of the 2 will depend completely on how close the race is in my state.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: MrSpad

Last I checked, tech jobs include manufacturing jobs in the tech fields.

If that's why 20-somethings are basing their vote against Trump on, then Clint Eastwood's generalization on them was 100% accurate.

You are confusing reality with Trumps message. You,I, and younger people know that manufacturing in the US has added a million new factory positions since 2010. These are good paying high tech manufacturing jobs that require programming and over seeing high tech equipment. Not jobs for low wage unskilled workers in China.

None of that helps the unskilled, blue collar works Trumps caters to. He talks about jobs in textiles, furniture, paper products etc. To people under 40 those types of jobs are an anachronism and have never existed in their lives.

These are not the people who dropped out of high school to work in local paper mill marry somebody and never leave town. Those people are the ones who got killed by China and those jobs are never coming back.

So Trumps promise to bring those jobs does not resonate with youth who never had those jobs and are not longing for their return.

And as I said that is on top of all the other reasons people do not like Trump, temperament, lack of experience, his history, and they are much more likely to fact check the things that candidates say then older voters (that 65 and older where Trump dominates). And Trumps penchant for exaggeration, changing his story and just making things up all the time is something they can check and they do.