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The Greatest Fight in the History Of Boxing

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posted on Aug, 15 2016 @ 07:34 AM
Muhammad Ali Vs Rocky Marciano

Of course it never happened, but this recreation of what would have been the greatest fight of all time is amazing to watch!!

`The Super Fight` was a fictional 1969 boxing match between Muhammad Ali and Rocky Marciano. At the time, Ali and Marciano were the only undefeated heavyweight champions in history and fans often debated who would win had they met in their primes. Ali and Marciano were filmed acting out every possible scenario in a fight and the result was then determined using probability formulas entered into a computer. The final fight was only shown once in selected cinemas around the world and later released as a DVD.
In 1967, radio producer Murray Woroner had the idea of determining the all-time great heavyweight champion of the world in a series of fantasy fights between boxing champions of different eras. Woroner sent out a survey to 250 boxing experts and writers to help determine which boxers would be used in the imaginary fights. Woroner picked the first round of fantasy matches to be:
Jack Dempsey vs. Gentleman Jim Corbett
John L. Sullivan vs. Jim Braddock
Bob Fitzsimmons vs. Jack Sharkey
Jim Jeffries vs. Jersey Joe Walcott
Joe Louis vs. Jess Willard
Max Baer vs. Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano vs. Gene Tunney
Muhammad Ali vs. Max Schmeling
Punch-by-punch details of the boxer's records during their prime were entered into an NCR 315 computer. Also their strengths, weaknesses, fighting styles and patterns and other factors and scenarios that the boxers could go through were converted into formulas. The NCR-315 with 20K of memory was supplied by SPS (Systems Programming Services), an independent service bureau in Miami Fla. The algorithms was supplied by an NCR mathematician, and programming was done in Fortran by an employee of SPS. Hank Meyer, President and salesman with a one other partner in SPS, was instrumental in setting this competition up, and contended at the time that it was his idea. The actual running of the software was done the night before each broadcast round of the 'computer championship' and took approximately 45 minutes to run, the ouptut was a formatted report containing a series of codes describing each punch. This was then written to magnetic tape, the tape was then manually transferred to a Univac 1005 and printed. This early form of "foot-powered" networking was referred to as sneakernet, the reason for doing this was cost, it was cheaper to print on a 1005 than the 315. This took place in early 1968; the NCR 315 was a state-of-the-art computer at the time.
The outcomes were then staged as radio plays with Woroner and radio announcer Guy LeBow as the commentators. The fantasy fights were broadcast worldwide. Even the boxers who were still alive at the time listened to the programs and some of them participated as commentators. After the series of elimination rounds, the final fight was between Dempsey and Marciano. Marciano defeated Dempsey and was considered to be the all-time greatest heavyweight champion by the computer. Woroner awarded the real Marciano a gold and diamond championship belt worth $10,000.
Ali was angered over his loss to Jim Jeffries in the fantasy fights and sued Woroner for $1 million for defamation of character. The lawsuit was settled when Woroner offered to pay Ali $10,000 to participate in a filmed version of his radio fantasy fights in which Ali would fight Marciano. Ali, who had been stripped of his heavyweight title and American boxing license three years prior, agreed on the condition that he would also receive a cut of the film's profits. Marciano also agreed to participate with a similar deal. The same formulas were used again and entered into the NCR 315. In 1969, filming began in a Miami studio.
Marciano, who had been retired for almost 13 years, lost over 50 pounds and wore a toupee in order to look as he did in his prime. Even for a "fake" fight, Marciano and Ali really looked forward to meeting each other and getting back in the ring.

The two fighters sparred for about 70 to 75 rounds, which were later spliced together according to the computer's findings which had not yet been determined. Every probable scenario was filmed. The final outcome would not be revealed to anyone until the release of the film. Braddock, Louis, Schmeling, Sharkey and Walcott also recorded commentary to be used in the film. Marciano died in a plane crash three weeks after filming wrapped [1].
On January 20, 1970, the fight was shown only once in 1500 theaters over closed-circuit television in the United States, Canada, and throughout Europe. It grossed $5 million. The computer had determined that Marciano would knock Ali out in the 13th round and the film was edited to present that outcome. All prints of the fight except one were supposed to be immediately destroyed, per Woroner's stipulation. However, many theaters played the show long after January 20th.

After watching the film, Ali reportedly said "That computer was made in Alabama," joking that Marciano was favored because he was white.

Is this the way it actually would have happened?

edit on 15-8-2016 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 15 2016 @ 07:49 AM
a reply to: Akragon

I thought you were going to post about the Mike Tyson vs. Buster Douglas. Absolutely incredible story - Buster Douglas' mother had a premonition (can't think of the proper term) that Buster would knock out Tyson before she died. She died 2 days before the fight and Tyson pretty much had him done for. But Buster wasn't letting go, wasn't going to go down. And thus, David conquered Goliath

Great 2 min motivational video about it right here:

Now let me check out this "could have been" Ali fight

edit on 15-8-2016 by FamCore because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 15 2016 @ 09:38 AM
a reply to: Akragon

Thank you solo much for this! MINIMAL SPOILERS!!!!

It felt like my Grandfather and my Dad were both right here with me watching it! What a fight! When Rock's nose opened up again I thought it was over.... What it would be like to see all 13 rounds for real!


My grandfather was a boxing maniac, his whole life. When he died here we had to go through belongings as we do when a family member goes. We found notebooks that span his entire life keeping meticulous records of boxing matches, local,regional, and National, maybe even international in some cases. It is amazing to go through. Page after page of names and results, cities they occurred, it is truly fascinating.

There are also records of monthly expenses, I mean the man recorded everything down to how many eggs they bought and for how much, the purchase of a cow here and there right next to notes about paying cash for his new 53 Plymouth.

His adult life was in Newcastle Texas a literal one horse town but for him i guess a radio was all he needed. I mean how did he know about all these fights?! I could understand it in today's age of information, but all he had was radio and AM frequency for a big part of it! I grew up in the TV age, but can remember sitting on the floor watching him shuck and jive like he was right there watching it with nothing more than the announcers voice. I often wish I could go back and witness some of the stories about boxing during the War( some sanctioned most not, wink wink)!

Thanks again! Great find

posted on Aug, 15 2016 @ 11:53 PM
The 3 Ward Vs Gatti fights have gotta be up there as some of the greatest ever... full on Rocky-esque tear ups.

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