The Conspiracy of the Religious Elite

I originally made this reply to a member It may be removed because it has drifted off topic in that thread.

But It is something no one talks about. It is the fact the Religious schools and Organizations have created a Religious Society just as the Medical field has, one that requires certain things be followed and done in order to receive in the end your Doctorate. I am an insider and have seen it and participated in it and know what I am sharing is true.

My reply has the details from the lies that there is no Bible that is whole, complete, accurate and infallible while they teach that the Bible is true, accurate, infallible and without error. That is as far as their interpretation goes. And that one must learn to interpret the Bible correctly to understand it. Also the fact that the whole schools of religion were created to control who teaches and does ministries around the world. they do so by making people think they must understand dead languages and their forms of interpretation of religious documents before you can teach the Bible, and I quote, "correctly".

The goal of this thread is to open the eyes and let people know about the controlling Elitist Status of the Religious leaders.

Please don't fall for the line it must be interpreted or you can't understand the Bible. Remember, Interpretation is from one language to another not from English back to Hebrew and Greek unverifiable copies and then back to English. That is not interpretation but the sleight of men. This is why we are required only to study and rightly divide the word, not interpret

Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It is already interpreted and preserved for you in English no interpretation needed. What you need is prayer, study and understanding only.

Once I found the verse where God promised to preserve his words to every generation, I took God at his word and searched and studied for 7 years then when I had finished I had in my hand the preserved words of God, in a Book he had preserved to the English speaking generation (which is still on going), the fulfillment of his promise. I wont and cant do that work for you. It is a thing each person must do on their own and know in their own heart when they are done. I gave you clues as to what to look for so be diligent and search and compare and once you figure out which one has all and more of what I gave you, you have found a Bible you can trust to be preserved as God promised.

I learned something in the Mission field. I took with me a 68th edition of the Principles and Practices of Medicine, it is the medical school primer used by medical students at Harvard University. It is the basis upon their study. I read that book from cover to cover four times. I discovered something. Once I had understood this I knew something was not right. In med school they have you learn Latin because much of the med terms were in Latin, a dead language. If they just taught Med school in plain English terms with no Latin anyone could be a doctor.

You see they created a society just for Doctors known the medical fraternity, only the elite who can learn the dead language and pay their high Tuition costs of the education can be doctors. It is in itself a kind of cliche, a medical society of which only the few are members of. It is the same way now with Religious Studies. All secret societies require you learn their secret language, hand shakes, codes and rituals, and the Medical and Religious societies are not exempt from these.

BTW, I diagnoses correctly many diseases and conditions that Licensed Physicians in the country where I served missed or could not correctly diagnose. Why? Because I knew that medical primer inside and out and how to diagnose and prescribe a correct course of action to cure the diseases and conditions.

Like the Medical the religious tell you you have to learn dead languages, you have to learn them so you can Interpret the myriad of Non-verifiable Greek and Hebrew Documents. Non-verifiable means they only have copies of copies of copies. There are no, and I mean no, Original Autographs anywhere in the world, that these copies can be verified to be accurate. They too like the Medical Society, have high tuition costs and long educational process to get a Doctorate. And it too is a cliche of the religious Elite. I have a Doctorate in Theology but it is trash and means nothing anymore to me.

They want control over people, they are the ones who propagated the lie that the average people could not understand the Bible Starting in the late 300AD, Just like the medical fields says you can't understand how to diagnose and cure people. It is a way of controlling people.

Roms 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

The Bible was meant to set people free. God word tells us his word is not just for those who hold religious doctorates but for all men simple and wise,

Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Ps 119:130 ¶ The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple
Eph 1:16, 17 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Ps 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Col 1:9 ¶ For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Re 1:3 ¶ Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

You see the word of God is for all to know and understand, not just the religious scholarly Elite known today as Pastors, Reverends, Doctors or Teachers. They want you controlled for money.

Tit 1:10, 11 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

Today's ministries are multi-billion dollar industries Manipulating the world for their own pleasure. Their ministries are patterned after their own understanding and not that of God, replacing themselves with Israel complete with a physical temple building, rituals,ceremonies, and sacrifices. They handle the word with deceitfulness and craftiness to take hold of men and control their lives and endanger their spiritual future.

If you learn one thing from this, let it be YOU can understand the Bible and YOU are to study it and apply it to YOUR LIFE. And to stop believing the lie of the religious Elite.

But this has been not only the way of, but primary function of any church throughout human existence. Why should things change now?

Let's not forget about the anti-religious elite who are sanctimoniously proffering their view to those studying in higher education whose minds should still be malleable, i.e., college professors. These self righteous college professors have opened this atheistic club to anybody who wants to join but does require obedience and proselytizing to their personal views. These views permit the individual to justify any action as long as it conflicts with any religious tenet. There are those who profess to love their neighbor and then go out and burn their houses and business. There are those who profess to listen to other views and then go out in mobs and out shout opposing views because they can justify it in their own mind as being "right in their cause."

The ends justify the means is a Machiavellian credo which is simply and old ethical theory that the morality of an action is to be judged only by its consequences. This was very brought out in the movie Enders Game when unknowingly destroyed the Formics home planet when he said that it is how one wins that matters. It was also said in the movie the Patriot that when the conflict was over, England and America would want to re-establish commerce. The non-religious are willing to burn all bridges behind them and forge ahead into unknown territory because the have no knowledge of the past.

You seem to show distaste for the dead languages. These dead languages are part of history, which the anti-religious seem to want to re-write. In simple terms, those that don't learn history, are bound to repeat it. Understanding where the language comes from helps understand the words of today. Understanding the history of those languages helps to understand mistakes of the past. Unfortunately, history is being re-written into something unrecognizable and we see it being repeated not, i.e., the futility of socialism and communism.

So as not to hijack your topic, my doctor, who is very religious, has saved my live twice. When I thank him, he said God healed me, not he. He was just God's scalpel. Newer Doctors will take all the credit. When under anesthesia, I want my doctor to have all the help he can get.

It would have been a good topic if it weren't so intolerant of those who prefer to believe in something besides themselves.

Osteen, Meyer, hinn, dollar, the list of corruption in the church is endless.
The elite, it's also the insecure ministers who don't train up their own because they may lose their job or prestige or are to lazy

I think there are opportunity for many people as laymen, and a basic understanding of Greek and Hebrew is important
Even if studying language just toshow a commitment to education

There are elite in some churches, not many, definetly not all.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I originally made this reply to a member It may be removed because it has drifted off topic in that thread.

But It is something no one talks about. It is the fact the Religious schools and Organizations have created a Religious Society just as the Medical field has, one that requires certain things be followed and done in order to receive in the end your Doctorate. I am an insider and have seen it and participated in it and know what I am sharing is true.

My reply has the details from the lies that there is no Bible that is whole, complete, accurate and infallible while they teach that the Bible is true, accurate, infallible and without error. That is as far as their interpretation goes. And that one must learn to interpret the Bible correctly to understand it. Also the fact that the whole schools of religion were created to control who teaches and does ministries around the world. they do so by making people think they must understand dead languages and their forms of interpretation of religious documents before you can teach the Bible, and I quote, "correctly".

The goal of this thread is to open the eyes and let people know about the controlling Elitist Status of the Religious leaders.

Please don't fall for the line it must be interpreted or you can't understand the Bible. Remember, Interpretation is from one language to another not from English back to Hebrew and Greek unverifiable copies and then back to English. That is not interpretation but the sleight of men. This is why we are required only to study and rightly divide the word, not interpret

Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It is already interpreted and preserved for you in English no interpretation needed. What you need is prayer, study and understanding only.

Once I found the verse where God promised to preserve his words to every generation, I took God at his word and searched and studied for 7 years then when I had finished I had in my hand the preserved words of God, in a Book he had preserved to the English speaking generation (which is still on going), the fulfillment of his promise. I wont and cant do that work for you. It is a thing each person must do on their own and know in their own heart when they are done. I gave you clues as to what to look for so be diligent and search and compare and once you figure out which one has all and more of what I gave you, you have found a Bible you can trust to be preserved as God promised.

I learned something in the Mission field. I took with me a 68th edition of the Principles and Practices of Medicine, it is the medical school primer used by medical students at Harvard University. It is the basis upon their study. I read that book from cover to cover four times. I discovered something. Once I had understood this I knew something was not right. In med school they have you learn Latin because much of the med terms were in Latin, a dead language. If they just taught Med school in plain English terms with no Latin anyone could be a doctor.

You see they created a society just for Doctors known the medical fraternity, only the elite who can learn the dead language and pay their high Tuition costs of the education can be doctors. It is in itself a kind of cliche, a medical society of which only the few are members of. It is the same way now with Religious Studies. All secret societies require you learn their secret language, hand shakes, codes and rituals, and the Medical and Religious societies are not exempt from these.

BTW, I diagnoses correctly many diseases and conditions that Licensed Physicians in the country where I served missed or could not correctly diagnose. Why? Because I knew that medical primer inside and out and how to diagnose and prescribe a correct course of action to cure the diseases and conditions.

Like the Medical the religious tell you you have to learn dead languages, you have to learn them so you can Interpret the myriad of Non-verifiable Greek and Hebrew Documents. Non-verifiable means they only have copies of copies of copies. There are no, and I mean no, Original Autographs anywhere in the world, that these copies can be verified to be accurate. They too like the Medical Society, have high tuition costs and long educational process to get a Doctorate. And it too is a cliche of the religious Elite. I have a Doctorate in Theology but it is trash and means nothing anymore to me.

They want control over people, they are the ones who propagated the lie that the average people could not understand the Bible Starting in the late 300AD, Just like the medical fields says you can't understand how to diagnose and cure people. It is a way of controlling people.

Roms 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

The Bible was meant to set people free. God word tells us his word is not just for those who hold religious doctorates but for all men simple and wise,

Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Ps 119:130 ¶ The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple
Eph 1:16, 17 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Ps 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Col 1:9 ¶ For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Re 1:3 ¶ Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

You see the word of God is for all to know and understand, not just the religious scholarly Elite known today as Pastors, Reverends, Doctors or Teachers. They want you controlled for money.

Tit 1:10, 11 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

Today's ministries are multi-billion dollar industries Manipulating the world for their own pleasure. Their ministries are patterned after their own understanding and not that of God, replacing themselves with Israel complete with a physical temple building, rituals,ceremonies, and sacrifices. They handle the word with deceitfulness and craftiness to take hold of men and control their lives and endanger their spiritual future.

If you learn one thing from this, let it be YOU can understand the Bible and YOU are to study it and apply it to YOUR LIFE. And to stop believing the lie of the religious Elite.

Well done OP.

Now you need to take another approach and show how EVERY SINGLE DOCTRINE IN EXISTANCE evolved directly from ONE TRUE HUMANITARIAN HISTORY.

There was NEVER A DIVINE DOCUMENT WRITTEN..........what was written was the tangible true account of Global Humanity being wiped out,technologicl capable Humanity,and the account tells us what to do so it doesnt happen again.It tells us all how to defeat and to destroy TPTB,because if they are allowed to suppress the ONE TRUTH we will be caught unexpected again and we might be wiped out completely.

Humanity should NEVER bet their future existance on small groups of humans,Humanity survives because of high numbers of us are distributed all over the planet,no because we are smarter or stronger than Mother Nature.

You are bng on the money.....now remove every written word which denotes an emotion or an opinion and you will find the hidden One True Humaniarian History in EVERY DOCTRINE ........once you are finished deciphering or cleaning up the major doctrinal book you know best .....find another one of the top 5 and....do the same thing....when you are done piick another and repeat......you will find they are ALL STEMMING FROM ONE TRUE SOURCE which says NOTHING ABOUT DIVINITY OR GODS OR BELIEF PROCESSES.

I happen to have a Religous relative who kick-started what turned out to be a Globally established Doctrine with followers numbering in the tens of millions,this relative was NOT a "god believing religous man",he simply had the VISION and PERSPECTIVE and ABILITY to read a Bible and "see" it for what it was,he was able to decipher the parables and understand it.........then he knew not only what to do to stop TPTB but also what to do to BECOME like TPTB.....like many he chose a middle-ground.and he became it seemed, a Servie to Self type of person......however after going through my own tutelage and finding the same waypoints he found,I UNDERSTAND how one could easily be lead to BEHAVE as if one were STS when one is really trying to help humanity survive in the long term. Humanity always does better in Groups......if you wish to travel fast travel alone -if you wish to travel far travel with others.


You may find that you feel someone who has full and complete knowledge of Humanities One True History.... and is trying to impress a HIVE-MIND perspective upon us,an androgenous HIVE-MIND......they wish us to be "comfortable" this way.

Praise Bob!

a reply to: JDeLattre89

No the first two hundred years the church was not organized in the way it has been since 315AD. It has been let go by God to develop into the monstrosity it is today for judgement starts with the house of God. Many many will fall away and have and that too is a sign that should not be ignored.

a reply to: one4all

The simplist way is found in the fact that none follow the instruction of God to "rightly divide the word of Truth" as found in 2 Tim 2:15.

They all will use the verse but leave off at this point. to do so would kill their ministries because they have in the simplest terms "replace Israel with their churches.

They blend all three of the preached Gospels found in New Testament scriptures into one conglomerate gospel. in so doing they have you following doctrines and teaching that are for Israel and for their kingdom. Grace is mixed with works and much more.

while they do teach the correct view of Jesus as the incarnation of God and some other doctrines correct much of what is taught is out of context to fleece their flocks of their hard earned money using the tithing system that was given to all Israel by Moses.

When the Bible is taken and used as these have done they have perverted God's words. This is why there are 350 plus versions of the Bible created to promote the teaching of men over the teachings of God. Because of not trusting God's word to preserve them to every generation they have relied on their own minds and in essence they have become god's in place of God to say they preserved his words correctly in a plethora of versions that contradict, have deletions and have changed internal doctrines.

Sorry there is a Divine, God inspired and breathed word and I hold it in my hand. Because God has preserved it in a book that has all the verses, defines every word in it by the context without need of English, Greek and Hebrew dictionaries or word study tools. It also has a divine built in cross-reference system that uses his words, phrases, and verse to connect scripture with scripture. As you study the Holy Ghost will teach comparing spiritual with spiritual using the internal cross-referencing system. There have been few that have found this system because they do not believe God and do not trust in his words.

Your humanitarian claim falls short and is just as flawed as their schools of religious Elite and their Organizations. Every church I have been too in the US and abroad follows the same erred flawed system of theology and teachings and the men that run them from top to bottom of the rung all are in it to make money. The organized church is used as a job not as a calling to teach truth. And if any feel they are teaching the truth, it is the what I have already described a blended gospel brouhaha to just fleece people out of money every week and have no ill conscious over it. Because they are just teaching the word as these religious schools and churches have taught.

This is why I believe that there is none who has faith. And explains Jesus words when he questioned, Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

As for me I will trust God and believe he has done and will do what he says. I will live the life that pleases him, I will lead my family and trust only in his son Jesus Christ's work of his cross for my salvation. When the end comes all will see and know the truth and I will have lost nothing.

Sorry everyone I posted the OP early this morning and the included bible verses apparently did not show up because of the quote marks left in it kept them from being seen.

So here is the whole and complete OP as it should have been viewed. It can also be seen at www.abovetopsecret.com... second from the top.

Please don't fall for the line it must be interpreted or you can't understand the Bible. Remember, Interpretation is from one language to another not from English back to Hebrew and Greek unverifiable copies and then back to English. That is not interpretation but the sleight of men. This is why we are required only to study and rightly divide the word, not interpret
Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It is already interpreted and preserved for you in English no interpretation needed. What you need is prayer, study and understanding only.

Once I found the verse where God promised to preserve his words to every generation, I took God at his word and searched and studied for 7 years then when I had finished I had in my hand the preserved words of God, in a Book he had preserved to the English speaking generation (which is still on going), the fulfillment of his promise. I wont and cant do that work for you. It is a thing each person must do on their own and know in their own heart when they are done. I gave you clues as to what to look for so be diligent and search and compare and once you figure out which one has all and more of what I gave you, you have found a Bible you can trust to be preserved as God promised.

I learned something in the Mission field. I took with me a 68th edition of the Principles and Practices of Medicine, it is the medical school primer used by medical students at Harvard University. It is the basis upon their study. I read that book from cover to cover four times. I discovered something. Once I had understood this I knew something was not right. In med school they have you learn Latin because much of the med terms were in Latin, a dead language. If they just taught Med school in plain English terms with no Latin anyone could be a doctor.

You see they created a society just for Doctors known the medical fraternity, only the elite who can learn the dead language and pay their high Tuition costs of the education can be doctors. It is in itself a kind of cliche, a medical society of which only the few are members of. It is the same way now with Religious Studies. All secret societies require you learn their secret language, hand shakes, codes and rituals, and the Medical and Religious societies are not exempt from these.

BTW, I diagnoses correctly many diseases and conditions that Licensed Physicians in the country where I served missed or could not correctly diagnose. Why? Because I knew that medical primer inside and out and how to diagnose and prescribe a correct course of action to cure the diseases and conditions.

Like the Medical the religious tell you you have to learn dead languages, you have to learn them so you can Interpret the myriad of Non-verifiable Greek and Hebrew Documents. Non-verifiable means they only have copies of copies of copies. There are no, and I mean no, Original Autographs anywhere in the world, that these copies can be verified to be accurate. They too like the Medical Society, have high tuition costs and long educational process to get a Doctorate. And it too is a cliche of the religious Elite. I have a Doctorate in Theology but it is trash and means nothing anymore to me.

They want control over people, they are the ones who propagated the lie that the average people could not understand the Bible Starting in the late 300AD, Just like the medical fields says you can't understand how to diagnose and cure people. It is a way of controlling people.
Roms 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

The Bible was meant to set people free. God word tells us his word is not just for those who hold religious doctorates but for all men simple and wise,
Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
Ps 119:130 ¶ The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple
Eph 1:16, 17 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Ps 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Col 1:9 ¶ For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Re 1:3 ¶ Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

You see the word of God is for all to know and understand, not just the religious scholarly Elite known today as Pastors, Reverends, Doctors or Teachers. They want you controlled for money.
Tit 1:10, 11 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

Today's ministries are multi-billion dollar industries Manipulating the world for their own pleasure. Their ministries are patterned after their own understanding and not that of God, replacing themselves with Israel complete with a physical temple building, rituals,ceremonies, and sacrifices. They handle the word with deceitfulness and craftiness to take hold of men and control their lives and endanger their spiritual future.

If you learn one thing from this, let it be YOU can understand the Bible and YOU are to study it and apply it to YOUR LIFE. And to stop believing the lie of the religious Elite.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: one4all

The simplist way is found in the fact that none follow the instruction of God to "rightly divide the word of Truth" as found in 2 Tim 2:15.

They all will use the verse but leave off at this point. to do so would kill their ministries because they have in the simplest terms "replace Israel with their churches.

They blend all three of the preached Gospels found in New Testament scriptures into one conglomerate gospel. in so doing they have you following doctrines and teaching that are for Israel and for their kingdom. Grace is mixed with works and much more.

while they do teach the correct view of Jesus as the incarnation of God and some other doctrines correct much of what is taught is out of context to fleece their flocks of their hard earned money using the tithing system that was given to all Israel by Moses.

When the Bible is taken and used as these have done they have perverted God's words. This is why there are 350 plus versions of the Bible created to promote the teaching of men over the teachings of God. Because of not trusting God's word to preserve them to every generation they have relied on their own minds and in essence they have become god's in place of God to say they preserved his words correctly in a plethora of versions that contradict, have deletions and have changed internal doctrines.

Sorry there is a Divine, God inspired and breathed word and I hold it in my hand. Because God has preserved it in a book that has all the verses, defines every word in it by the context without need of English, Greek and Hebrew dictionaries or word study tools. It also has a divine built in cross-reference system that uses his words, phrases, and verse to connect scripture with scripture. As you study the Holy Ghost will teach comparing spiritual with spiritual using the internal cross-referencing system. There have been few that have found this system because they do not believe God and do not trust in his words.

Your humanitarian claim falls short and is just as flawed as their schools of religious Elite and their Organizations. Every church I have been too in the US and abroad follows the same erred flawed system of theology and teachings and the men that run them from top to bottom of the rung all are in it to make money. The organized church is used as a job not as a calling to teach truth. And if any feel they are teaching the truth, it is the what I have already described a blended gospel brouhaha to just fleece people out of money every week and have no ill conscious over it. Because they are just teaching the word as these religious schools and churches have taught.

This is why I believe that there is none who has faith. And explains Jesus words when he questioned, Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

As for me I will trust God and believe he has done and will do what he says. I will live the life that pleases him, I will lead my family and trust only in his son Jesus Christ's work of his cross for my salvation. When the end comes all will see and know the truth and I will have lost nothing.

"Sorry there is a Divine.....".......you lost me right there.When a Global Displacement wave turns 6.75 Billion people into future Oil and Coal,maybe your God who is FLESH AND BLOOD or who is NOT FLESH AND BLOOD will save you with technology or by using energy and love........this is your journey......I do not know if your Gods exist for you or not but you seem to be constantly searching and never finding....so I am empathetic to your imprisonment.

My Humanitarian claim by proxy supercedes ALL religous doctrinal stories.

You are trusting in your "belief and faith in said belief" of "god".....because you have never seen your god.....IMHO everyone should trust themselves.

Your beliefs and faith cannot remove Humanities One-True-History from within EVERY DOCTRINE ON EARTH...which is exactly where it is by proxy.

ALL religons on earth stem from one tangible written source......and it has ZERO spiritual inclusions ZERO religous inclusions.....in fact it demonises ALL RELIGONS as we practice them.

Why do you think religons provide for KILLING HUMANS to protect the storyline????........a child can rationalise a loving god would not allow this........but the STORY they were tasked with preserving was deemed important enough that it had to be defended to the death.......and ALL doctrines protect themslves by proxy with this ultimate passion.

We may have creators who are human physiclly or spiritually like us...remember we are created in the image of our progenitor......maybe there will be many different gods coming to save their flocks before the Nibiru Displacement Waves and maybe billions who do not share these gods will be left to perish ....maybe not.

Personally I am following the storyline within these doctrines.....I am following the patterns of the Universe and the Earth....I am digging in......and I will leave the religous agreements and disagreements to others.

a reply to: one4all

I have stopped searching long ago and am on the journey heaven bound.

It is true, my God and Lord Jesus Christ I have never seen face to face, however he saved me from the end of my own gun, changed my life, set me free from drugs, cigarettes and alcohol, he made me whole, he has led my life for over 22 years and never let me down, and most recently secured me a house with a 7 year 3% loan. Not to mention he blessed me with a godly wife and three wonderful children, two cars, riding lawn mower, a house full of things we could never buy on our own. Food and clothing galore and much much more.

I don't have to see him to know he is real. the evidence speaks for itself.

And like I said your lies are just as dangerous as those of the religious elite if not more so.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: one4all

I have stopped searching long ago and am on the journey heaven bound.

It is true, my God and Lord Jesus Christ I have never seen face to face, however he saved me from the end of my own gun, changed my life, set me free from drugs, cigarettes and alcohol, he made me whole, he has led my life for over 22 years and never let me down, and most recently secured me a house with a 7 year 3% loan. Not to mention he blessed me with a godly wife and three wonderful children, two cars, riding lawn mower, a house full of things we could never buy on our own. Food and clothing galore and much much more.

I don't have to see him to know he is real. the evidence speaks for itself.

And like I said your lies are just as dangerous as those of the religious elite if not more so.

Now you have called me a liar.......lol....you are a hypocrite.

Your rligous zealousy is what is dangerous,if your religous associates helped you get what you have,it wasnt the Lord boyo it was your gang......dont assume your religous privilage will last forever.....things are changing fast.

You seem pretty materialistic.......I bet your God also fogives you for indulging in that which billions of others may never know???....lol.....ooops I forgot you likely buy your way out of that one with a few bucks of charitable afterthought and a hail mary or a confession or two......lol.

You are only welcome to your uncontested religous idealisms until you begin using them to self-justify pushing people around and then you become a zealot and a focus of societal dischord.


If you are delusional enough to believe your religous beliefs or your god brought you material wealth....well lots of people carry a Rabbits foot for good luck and they are also delusional EXCEPT THEY DONT HAVE DIVINE PERMISSION TO MURDER OTHER POEPLE TO PROTECT AND PROJECT THE DELUSION.

So unlike the guy with the Rabbits foot delusion who is harmless when he tells someone else to carry one as well....you and your group are dangerous to humanity IMHO....and very time you tell someone else to believe your delusion your group becomes even more dangerous.

When I tell you there is and has for 2 thousand years been a GLOBAL RELIGOUS CONSPIRACY to hide the truth of the Nibiru induced Global Displacemnt Waves we are about to experience.....I can prove it using YOUR doctrine.

I am not interested in waxing poetic about my own version of a perfect world and I feel no inclination to devote enough energy to anyones religon to even consider the need to police it societally.....until people begin getting murdered .....then the gloves come off and your god had better show up and have your 6.

a reply to: one4all

quote me where did I ever say you are "a Liar"?

No Where. However your Teaching lies does not make you a liar for you probably learned it from someone else and you are ignorant of the doctrine you teach being false.

I fully disagree with the humanistic indoctrination of Christianity as you claim or Judaism as you claim.

Are there some who have brought in Humanism and Worldliness into the church and mingled it with Christian doctrine? Yes

But your claim goes beyond that.

No you are more of a false teacher, who has numerous times tried to high jacked the thread to promote your humanistic agenda claims.

Start your own thread on the subject.

This is not the place for your junk.

As far as the materials God has given me it is his blessings so take it up with him. It is our lot in life to live and enjoy the work of our hands, to enjoy our families and to lead them in truth for this is our lot in life.

I served and sacrificed for over 15 years in the mission filed and had little to nothing except the roof over my head. So if God chooses to bless me in this life then it is his righteousness and his doing. I will only praise him for it.

There is nothing wrong in having material thing as long as they don't rule your heart. Things are necessary in this life but they don't rule me nor do I live for them, I live for him who saved me.

I am spiritually zealous for my God not religiously zealous for him unless of course you mean I am zealous for him daily, then of course I am.

God has not asked any of us to give up and live with nothing. That would not be able to keep his words to take care of our families if we did.

a reply to: one4all

Secondly, i have not pushed around anyone, Also I ever sewn any type of societal discord, nor would I ever attempt to do either.

The Bible says that he does indeed bless some with material wealth but we also know the Devil can do it too. Just because you do not believe as I do, it does not gives you the right to insinuate I am delusional

Psalm 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
Eccl 6:2 A man to whom God hath given riches, wealth, and honour, so that he wanteth nothing for his soul of all that he desireth
Matt 4:8, 9 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

I do not have a divine order or permission to murder or kill anyone out side of protecting myself or my family.

I think I have proven I do not follow the GROUP. I am outside the conspiracy to control others, I do not agree with their teachings and have pretty much given up on being a pastor or preacher ever again in any of their churches if I must promote their false doctrines, I will teach if it is to teach something only beneficial to the members. But as far as teaching that there is a command to tithe for the church today, that is heresy and I will not.

there has been a global conspiracy to replace Israel via the Alexandrian church which later became the Roman Catholic church and all its false doctrines to which when certain men became aware revolted and started the Reformation but within a few years they too continues to keep to the core teaching of tithing and replace Israel.

I don't have doctrines of which you speak of.

My God can save me from any situation and even if he chooses not to I will not give in to your heresy or false teaching I will remain steadfast in my trust in Him and him alone.

And if Nibiru was real that would be the best opportunity for me to exploit the people and take advantage of them, to kill and to sew societal discord for Nibiru would be proof of my doing so.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I don't have doctrines of which you speak of.

Paul was all about doctrine. Jesus wasn't. If you follow Paul, then you follow "doctrine".

a reply to: Matrixsurvivoryou know nothing and have not the Holy Ghost and you want to teach/indoctrinate me in your anti-Paul nonsense?

Now that is doctrine in itself.

And as far as Jesus wasn't about doctrine let's see what God's preserved word says about that.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

It seems Jesus was all about doctrine after all. You err not knowing the word of God.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: one4all

quote me where did I ever say you are "a Liar"?

No Where. However your Teaching lies does not make you a liar for you probably learned it from someone else and you are ignorant of the doctrine you teach being false.

I fully disagree with the humanistic indoctrination of Christianity as you claim or Judaism as you claim.

Are there some who have brought in Humanism and Worldliness into the church and mingled it with Christian doctrine? Yes

But your claim goes beyond that.

No you are more of a false teacher, who has numerous times tried to high jacked the thread to promote your humanistic agenda claims.

Start your own thread on the subject.

This is not the place for your junk.

As far as the materials God has given me it is his blessings so take it up with him. It is our lot in life to live and enjoy the work of our hands, to enjoy our families and to lead them in truth for this is our lot in life.

I served and sacrificed for over 15 years in the mission filed and had little to nothing except the roof over my head. So if God chooses to bless me in this life then it is his righteousness and his doing. I will only praise him for it.

There is nothing wrong in having material thing as long as they don't rule your heart. Things are necessary in this life but they don't rule me nor do I live for them, I live for him who saved me.

I am spiritually zealous for my God not religiously zealous for him unless of course you mean I am zealous for him daily, then of course I am.

God has not asked any of us to give up and live with nothing. That would not be able to keep his words to take care of our families if we did.

I believe these are your words......"And like I said your lies are just as dangerous as those of the religious elite if not more so".

I teach no doctrine because I subscribe to no doctrine beyond the undulating waves of Universal unity I am a part of,I am an Observationalist.

Your Religon comes from the same place as ALL Religons and this place is the manipulative imagination of mankind, all religons originate from a pure unadultered form which is from a history of Humanity...a tangible one which includes NO GODS AND BELIEFS AND CONVICTIONS OF SUCH .The god and religous junk were added to corrupt the true history....which actually DIRCETED AGAINST EMPOWERING ORGANISED RELIGONS .

You are accusatory rude obnoxious over-zealous and a bit on the hyper-aggressive side....you are edgy and unpredictable ....all symptoms of religous brainwashing......one day the Vatican will be recorded in History as the ultimate Waco.....because of this kind of bipolar passive aggressive focused thinking and behaviour.

No one has told you to stop worshipping how you choose....lol.


Lol....."god says".....lol....the very concept is imaginary and this is even an AGREED UPON PRETEXT OF ALL RELIGONS......there is a GROUP CATALYSED AND ACTIONED ASSUMPTION that a god exists ....which creates a numbers and influence based ,fed, and maintained, status quo.This is called freedom of expression.

Why dont you smarten up and figure out ALL RELIGONS ARE ONE and this can easily be proven by reverse extrapolating and overlaying each doctrine.

Why dont you wisen up and take the good out of the doctrines you encounter and then be HONEST about your experiences.........why dont you look at what YOU YOURSELF post and then try to come up with some sane cogizant reason why you keep experiencing the same dynamics with Religons?.....because if and when you mature philosophiclly and spiritually you will end up closer to nature and the truths of the Universe we live in.

It is not that difficult to see where religons become manipulative...and of all people someone with your experience will know why......so stop being so dishonest and tell the TRUTH.......when you are done you will worship and respect first yourself and than your fellow human being.

As a gift to you I will tell you this......the ENTIRE One True Humanitarian History from which ALL religons were in good intentions with evil ends spawned....is written about the cause history and impacts of Noahs Flood....which was NOT BROUGHT BY ANY IMAGINARY GODS....it is a cyclical Universal action.....dont you understand how EASY it is to unravel the lies layered upon the one true history of Humanity in the name of Human emotional projections like greed and vanity.......sooooooooooooo easyyyyyyyy to dooooooo.

You see every Doctrinal History contains this same ONE TRUE HUMANITARIAN HISTORY inextricably interwoven into itself.....it CANNOT BE REMOVED....so the Christian Bible...the Koran...the Vedic Texts....the I-Chi.....all of them are ONE from the inside out.......they are all indivdually evolved versions of Humanities One True History.

Sorry but there is nothing in there about gods or angels or spiritual beings....nada....nothing....zero about Heeby-Jeeby amature brainwashing.......however we CAN EASILY REVERSE EXTRAPOLATE HOW EACH INDIVIDUAL VERSION HAS LAYERS WITH MISTRUTHS AND MISDIRECTIONS AND HOW RELIGOUS TYPE GROUPS WERE FORMED ORIGINALLY WITH GOOD INTENTIONS TO PROTECT AND PRSERVE THE INFORMATION.

This True Humanitarian History was handeled differently by each Group we can see....but in EVERY CASE HUMAN MOTIONS ARE THE DRIVING FORCES...and as a result we see paralell evolutions.The "godly prmission" to KILL to protect this ONE TRUE HISTORY OF HUMANITY WAS SANCTIONED BY EVERY GROUP SO WE WOULD NEVER BE CAUGHT OFF-GUARD BY THE COSMIC NATURAL CYCLICAL EVENT CAUSING NOAHS FLOOD EVER AGAIN.This is why we have ALL WARS TODAY....and always....because these religons in todays world fight each other based on this Alpha-Type Kill-to-Preserve the Story focus.....they havent yet realised completely that this is bigger than the Da Vinci Code and it CANNOT EVER BE REMOVED OR CHANGED because it is written into not one or two but ALL MAJOR AND SUPPLEMENTARY DOCTRINES GLOBALLY.


This is you answer to give small children who ask you why a good god would let people kill each other in religous wars ,tell children the TRUTH so they can ASK YOU WHAT THE ORIGINAL STORY SAID .....lol....you see this ONE TRUE HUMANITARIAN History is their RIGHT it is their POSSESION.

When you get yourself figured out there .......Lobsang ......you will understand that ALL religons contain GOOD PEOPLE...and ALL THESE GOOD PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIED TO IN THE EXACT SAME WAYS FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS......LIES WHICH HAPPEN HAVE BEEN FORMED BY GOOD MEN FOR GOOD REASONS ...ONES WHICH HAPPEN TO BE THE NOBELIST HUMANITARIAN REASONS POSSIBLE....but once the ability to SPREAD THIS STORY GLOBALLY came the Nobility required full disclosure ....lol....however many had much to lose in terms of material wealth and regional and global power ....a huge battle was in progress to supress these truths and to keep Humanity under control by falsely maintaining a "need to engage the now religously driven but needless kill-to-preserve the information" mentality.....because once it is mass shared the need to protect it is GONE FOREVER.

Bet you didnt know "god" allowed mass murder to protect a "secret" now did you????...or that ALL "gods" allowed mass murder for the same reasons to hide the same "secret".That there are only imaginary gods and there is NEVER EVER a JUSTIFICATION TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN OR ALLOW IT TO DIE.

What we are seeing here thanks to you is that all the BILLIONS of religous people are about to suddenly snap out of their brainwashing when they see the IRREMOVABLE UNDENIABLE PROOF that they really are ALL IDENTICAL IN BELIEFS AND THE IS NO GOD OR SPIRITUALITY INVLOVED....THAT THEY CAN NOW FREELY WORSHIP NATURE AND THE UNIVERSE.

The single biggest group of SAME-MINDED Humans in this EPOCH are on the verge of coalescing together and birthing a one world status quo based on truth.....

You see Religous thinking is Hive-Mind thinking and this is "alien".....Humans ALWAYS COME TO ONE SINGLE CONSENSIUS NATURALLY BECAUSE WE ARE DESIGENED TO PRODUCE BEAUTIFULL SYNCRONICITY NOT DISCHORDS.

Someone was CRAFTY and they allowed the individual Hive-Mind focuses to all carry a TROJAN-HORSE hidden history witin them ...one which would eventually in every case DE-VOLVE until the COALESCENCE POINT WAS REACHED where they would by natural design again form ONE SINGLE HUMANITARIAN STATUS QUO AND REAL-TIME SHARED REALITY.

Lol....you dont see the bigger picture....lol....you dont see the beginning nor the end....lol...neophyte you are....its ok....lol....dont you see we WERE telepathic?....that we had to CREATE PROXIES to communicate fully and completely our EMOTIONS.....lol......and that TPTB have kept this information secret[they know how to re-activate it geneticlly now]....do you see the SCOPE of this....lol....the INTENET PROVIDED A PROXY OF GLOBAL TELEPATHY BY ALLOWING US TO SHARE OUR EMOTIONS ENMASSE IN REAL-TIME THEREBY BUILDING INSTANT REALITIES OR STATUS QUOS....

Someone with better seats in the Grand Ballroom knows these things.....the internet was like a nuclear detonation at ground zero in terms of impact.......it is a proxy of real-time telepathy for humanity. Breaking Humanities telepathic bond CREATED FERTILE GROUND FOR THE HIVE-MIND THINKING OF RELIGONS......and the Internet is recreating this bond and rendering current clashing religons powerless and unwanted at an EXPONENTIAL SPEED as the point of global dissemination of the One True History of Humanity nears.The irony is that ONLY these MASSIVE COMPETING GROUPS which were put together or allowed to form into clashing deadly foes for long term tactical reasons could have built these very few MASSIVE CONDUITS from which ALL OF HUMANITY CAN EASILY BE REACHED.....perfect trojan horse divide and conquor.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivoryou know nothing and have not the Holy Ghost and you want to teach/indoctrinate me in your anti-Paul nonsense?

Now that is doctrine in itself.

And as far as Jesus wasn't about doctrine let's see what God's preserved word says about that.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

It seems Jesus was all about doctrine after all. You err not knowing the word of God.

No, He wasn't, Chester. He said over and over again, that "His teaching" was not His own. Same with all the works/miracles He did. Whereas Saul/Paul ALWAYS took the credit...going even so far as putting himself above those Jesus actually hand picked and spent 3 and1/2 years with...teaching. I don't know which Bible you are using, but Jesus NEVER taught " doctrine". (Look that verse up again using a different version of the Bible...the word "doctrine" isn't used....instead it says "teaching"... big difference) Funny that. Saul/Paul was the one who established all the doctrine you see in Christendom today.
Jesus taught how to know the Father, He taught how to treat others, and Saul couldn't have truly explained Jesus no matter how much goobly gop he wrote. Saul never MET Him...other than his blinding light experience which he told THREE different versions of.
So, who's the one you should be listening to? A false apostle who would make the count to 13...when there were only supposed to be TWELVE?? The reason you can't be objective is because you have made a book your " God"...

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Oh, and what makes you so sure I haven't experienced the HS? Do you think only those who embrace the Bible as the total truth deserve it? Got news for you...I have experienced the Spirit. Too many times to count...and get this...THAT'S who showed me Saul was a false a apostle, wolf in sheep's clothing. AND a flat out "" spouter of lies"
Do I need to believe Saul/Paul to be "saved"??? I thought we were supposed to listen to our Shepherd's voice.

The goal of this thread is to open the eyes and let people know about the controlling Elitist Status of the Religious leaders.

Religion first started as a philosophy that was introspective instead of dogmatic so I cannot disagree with your viewpoint as we examine religion today. Throughout history the rich have purchased positions of authority and altered the teachings (Christian Gnosticism was banned by death penalty etc) to promote themselves as GODs spokesman on earth.

But the same can be said of science today. It too has been hijacked by the elite to promote outcomes that favour them. Like a cancer they will destroy anything that stands in the way of their ego.