Did the Moon Just Get Here?

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
Whats your opinion on the moon?

Large impactor. The Moon's mostly made of what would have passed for Earth's crustal material at the time.

a reply to: TommyD1966

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Strange Facts You (Probably) Never Knew About the Moon

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
If this is true...

It's not. Regardless of what the Bible may say, there has never been any global flood. Period. This has been conclusively proven.

I don't care what the Bible says. I wonder why there's a flood myth associated with almost every culture world-wide.
Very Interesting ... make sure you read the first comment. Then you should take into account the commonalities contained in those stories. Even though, supposedly, there was no travel between those distant locations to get each other's stories straight.

ETA: Oh ... and that moon thingy ... probably hit the Earth about 4.5B years ago.

Cataclysmic yet localized flooding following the last ice age would be the origins. Alexander was said to have conquered the world in ancient times yet we know he didn't.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
Whats your opinion on the moon?

Large impactor. The Moon's mostly made of what would have passed for Earth's crustal material at the time.

Exactly. When you compare the composition of moon rocks and earth rocks you get the same recipe. The capture theory is simply impossible.

a reply to: wayforward

The Earth's mass and gravitational field is wrong for capturing a object the size and mass of the Moon.

The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth. (at a small amount per year)
The Earth's spin is slowing down (at a small rate)

If you wind the clock back, you'll find a moon that is very close to the Earth, and the Earth is spinning very, very fast: the result of a major impact.

What follows is a Moon created out of the debris of that impact, and then between the Earth and the Moon, slowly braking the Earth's spin to what it is today.

As mentioned in another post: it also is what caused the moon to be tidally in phase with it's spin on it's axis and it's orbit around the Earth (and why one side always faces us).

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
Its not easy to prove a global flood that occurred long ago either way. I find it interesting that people don't believe it happened. Scholars aren't sure if the biblical flood was larger or smaller than these modern day disasters. For now its still just a personal belief. Whats your opinion on the moon?

A global flood would leave noticeable geological evidence linked to the same time period everywhere on earth. This is the opposite of what evidence shows. When the last glacial period ended it caused flooding all over the planet,but they were isolated individual floods, not the entire earth at once.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
Its not easy to prove a global flood that occurred long ago either way. I find it interesting that people don't believe it happened. Scholars aren't sure if the biblical flood was larger or smaller than these modern day disasters. For now its still just a personal belief. Whats your opinion on the moon?

A global flood would leave noticeable geological evidence linked to the same time period everywhere on earth. This is the opposite of what evidence shows. When the last glacial period ended it caused flooding all over the planet,but they were isolated individual floods, not the entire earth at once.

Which actually is exactly why there are multiple reports of a great flood worldwide. Humans have always gravitated their inhabitance near water. Not everywhere on earth flooded, but everywhere that was inhabited flooded. Making it seem like earth itself flooded.

Just out of sheer curiosity but how much effort did you put into trying to find information on this question, exactly? It took me no more than about a minute to get these results on Google.

Where did the Moon come from?

The Fission Theory: This theory proposes that the Moon was once part of the Earth and somehow separated from the Earth early in the history of the solar system. The present Pacific Ocean basin is the most popular site for the part of the Earth from which the Moon came. This theory was thought possible since the Moon's composition resembles that of the Earth's mantle and a rapidly spinning Earth could have cast off the Moon from its outer layers. However, the present-day Earth-Moon system should contain "fossil evidence" of this rapid spin and it does not. Also, this hypothesis does not have a natural explanation for the extra baking the lunar material has received.
The Capture Theory: This theory proposes that the Moon was formed somewhere else in the solar system, and was later captured by the gravitational field of the Earth. The Moon's different chemical composition could be explained if it formed elsewhere in the solar system, however, capture into the Moon's present orbit is very improbable. Something would have to slow it down by just the right amount at just the right time, and scientists are reluctant to believe in such "fine tuning". Also, this hypothesis does not have a natural explanation for the extra baking the lunar material has received.
The Condensation Theory: This theory proposes that the Moon and the Earth condensed individually from the nebula that formed the solar system, with the Moon formed in orbit around the Earth. However, if the Moon formed in the vicinity of the Earth it should have nearly the same composition. Specifically, it should possess a significant iron core, and it does not. Also, this hypothesis does not have a natural explanation for the extra baking the lunar material has received.
There is one theory which remains to be discussed, and it is widely accepted today.

The Giant Impactor Theory (sometimes called The Ejected Ring Theory): This theory proposes that a planetesimal (or small planet) the size of Mars struck the Earth just after the formation of the solar system, ejecting large volumes of heated material from the outer layers of both objects. A disk of orbiting material was formed, and this matter eventually stuck together to form the Moon in orbit around the Earth. This theory can explain why the Moon is made mostly of rock and how the rock was excessively heated. Furthermore, we see evidence in many places in the solar system that such collisions were common late in the formative stages of the solar system. This theory is discussed further below.

While there is no absolutely certain answer to the question, these are the "best guesses" that have been generated from scientific research.

When I took Geology 101 about a decade or so ago, the prevailing theory (or I was led to believe anyway, because I didn't much care for the class) was that while the Earth was forming it was struck by a meteor and a large chunk broke off and stayed within the gravity well of what was to become Earth.

No it was created by volcanos from Earth !

I also believe the best solution for the moons existence is the remains of a large impact event very early in earths
history. the minerals from earth and the impactor can be found in the crust of both earth and the moon as it is today.

as for the floods i "think" the best fit is a race memory passed on in story's and religious works from more ancient
memory's from witnesses to the huge sea level rises at the end of the last ice age when vast areas of formerly
occupied land was permanently claimed by the sea. which geologically speaking was only moments ago and modern
man was certainly present. a good example of which was doggerland.

a reply to: wayforward

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a reply to: gmoneystunt

Civilization was borne out of the end of the ice age. Huge glacial lakes formed by melted glaciers were held back by ice dams, unleashing enormous floods of fresh water when the ice dams melted. It happened all over the Earth at the end of the younger dryas period.

Not a global flood, per se. But a series of floods across the globe over a period of a few thousand years.

As you can imagine, the results were catastrophic.

ETA: there are also non glacial floods. Modern Earth has dammed up rivers that control flood zones. Not so in the past, with the Mississippi and Yangze rivers being well known flood producers. The Yangze river had an enormous flood when an earthquake dammed it off a few millenia ago. When the dam broke and returned the water flow, it unleased a legendary flood that is part of what "woo scholars" lump into the global flood myth.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
Whats your opinion on the moon?

Large impactor. The Moon's mostly made of what would have passed for Earth's crustal material at the time.

Exactly. When you compare the composition of moon rocks and earth rocks you get the same recipe. The capture theory is simply impossible.

Add to that the moon rocks date to just a few 100 million years after the inital formation of the eath.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
If this is true...

It's not. Regardless of what the Bible may say, there has never been any global flood. Period. This has been conclusively proven.

I don't care what the Bible says. I wonder why there's a flood myth associated with almost every culture world-wide.
Very Interesting ... make sure you read the first comment. Then you should take into account the commonalities contained in those stories. Even though, supposedly, there was no travel between those distant locations to get each other's stories straight.

ETA: Oh ... and that moon thingy ... probably hit the Earth about 4.5B years ago.

Because every culture has doom porn people like you ATSers

As for he Op, not sure where you are getting your info from, but try this


Www.wikipedia.com


It's fAirly well established that the moon was created from an impact with the pre earth mass

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: wayforward

The Earth's mass and gravitational field is wrong for capturing a object the size and mass of the Moon.

The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth. (at a small amount per year)
The Earth's spin is slowing down (at a small rate)

If you wind the clock back, you'll find a moon that is very close to the Earth, and the Earth is spinning very, very fast: the result of a major impact.

What follows is a Moon created out of the debris of that impact, and then between the Earth and the Moon, slowly braking the Earth's spin to what it is today.

As mentioned in another post: it also is what caused the moon to be tidally in phase with it's spin on it's axis and it's orbit around the Earth (and why one side always faces us).

The film Noah has quite a nice cgi scene showing the earth and moon forming I this way.

Here, 56sec in

a reply to: gmoneystunt

There is no geologic record of a planet wide flood you know.

a reply to: gmoneystunt


It say a flood over a good portion of China.
There have been floods all over. There's one in Louisiana right now.
None planet wide.

a reply to: gmoneystunt

That's evidence of a planet wide flood?

At the isotopic level, the Earth and Moon are essentially identical. They contain different levels of the elements, but the signature supports the theory that the Moon and Earth were once homogeneously mixed.