So You Want to go to Mars...

This was just fun to watch

We're on our way... maybe... lol

needless to say... I'll stay on this planet

a reply to: Akragon

The thing is, the minute there's people on Mars, Mars is bound to become an independent nation.

Look at what happened when England colonists were sent to the american continent - and that was just on the same planet.

Some of those who go to Mars have a very precise ambition: form a new country. A country which will span across an entire world and which will probably break free from terrestrial laws (since there will be no way for Eath to enforce law on Mars except by sending billion-dollars police spacecrafts to Mars - which would prove rather costly).

a reply to: swanne

Guess you've never seen "the Martian"

Good movie dude!

We can't get there without the help of all of our people

And I can't stress the WE part of that enough

a reply to: Akragon

Hehe I'll look it up.

But my point is: one cannot deny that going to Mars would fail unless helped by many people.

My point is that once there the colonists will most probably develop a Far-West-like society which will eventually secede from Earth.

Asimov gave many warnings.

originally posted by: Akragon
This was just fun to watch

We're on our way... maybe... lol

needless to say... I'll stay on this planet

It will be amazing when they day comes when we send humans to Mars and other planets. I'm sure we are probably a decade or two away from that, however, I'd still like to see us go back to the moon and maybe begin a colony there.

None of those 'long term' health effects are going to matter to the pioneers. They aren't coming back.

a reply to: Akragon
Two years ago there was a radio show where they interviewed someone who enlisted for the mars 20?? project. He said his whole life is upside because he had/has a girlfriend, family acts like he dies (that´s not so far aside..). He said it´s hard to prepare yourself on a mental level, if you´re involved into social life.

I always wondered if he´ll "survive" the final psychological tests.

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: Akragon

The thing is, the minute there's people on Mars, Mars is bound to become an independent nation.

Look at what happened when England colonists were sent to the american continent - and that was just on the same planet.

Some of those who go to Mars have a very precise ambition: form a new country. A country which will span across an entire world and which will probably break free from terrestrial laws (since there will be no way for Eath to enforce law on Mars except by sending billion-dollars police spacecrafts to Mars - which would prove rather costly).

Yes, it's a totally different environment and will need a whole set of different laws and social etiquettes for the survival of the group.

Or end up like Jamestown.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
Or end up like Jamestown.

I was thinking Donner Pass.


I do agree with Swanne, I think any colony will eventually secede and form their own nation.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

They would be wise if they wait until they don´t depend on earth anymore, resource wise. It think holding back cargo ships with resources from earth would be a pretty good deterent. Any government who does it on their own will hold a tight grip on them via technology. And if it´s only the stations computers, that´s enough.

a reply to: verschickter

I do no think a permanent colony is going to immediately declare independence, you will most likely have a replay of some sorts of the England/United States relationship leading up to the Revolutionary War.

a reply to: Akragon

Good find but problems about a moonbase were already more or less solved in the sixties. No Mars landing without a moon base. That was a promise. And honestly I see only one reason why they hesitaded to build a moon base.

So up to the marsbase.

Costly studies demonstrate that a marsbase makes a moonbase no priority. Very good seen by our real rulers. So one will stop complaining about a moonbase. That we should have had luxury lodgings on the moon already -based on plans from 1969- they seem to be forgotten. And that Mars is about 58 million kilometers away (shortest road, the longest is 400 million kilometers) seems to be excluded from the scope of the discussion (the moon is at a stone's throw of 384.000 kilometers. And, best scenario, even if Mars has a lot more to offer us -something we don't see- then the moon must still be a priority. Not only to us but to every scientist who respects science.

From www.evawaseerst.be...

The only way I'd be going to Mars at my age is to have access to a high fiber diet or laxatives. I don't want to live on a planet where it's 3 times harder for me to poop. Gravity helps with that.

I think we should adapt the Final Fantasy Anthem as the Mars National Anthem.

a reply to: Akragon

Great find and funny to watch!! Thank you.👍

There's an Arthur C. Clarke novel called The Sands of Mars that covers what might happen when a recently colonized Mars desires independence from Earth. I shan't spoil any of the details but I very much enjoyed the read! It was paired with The City and the Sun in the edition I read.

a reply to: verschickterJust withholding toilet paper would do the trick. Seriously, we HAVE to expand into the solar system and Mars is the easiest first step no matter what the obstacles we have to deal with them.

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: Akragon

The thing is, the minute there's people on Mars, Mars is bound to become an independent nation.

Look at what happened when England colonists were sent to the american continent - and that was just on the same planet.

Some of those who go to Mars have a very precise ambition: form a new country. A country which will span across an entire world and which will probably break free from terrestrial laws (since there will be no way for Eath to enforce law on Mars except by sending billion-dollars police spacecrafts to Mars - which would prove rather costly).

Might be a bit difficult to form an independent nation when you still rely entirely on the the places you want to secede from.m

a reply to: 3danimator2014

I wouldn't expect Mars to immediately secede after colonisation. First, Martian colonists would indeed depend on Earth. However after a while they would learn to use the resources they gathered, and to become self-sufficient - just like the british colonies learned to do upon arriving on the American continent.

Only then the new civilisation would gain the strength to declare political independence.

The whole thing might take a while, but it's bound to happen eventually.

a reply to: crayzeed

Sure, somewhere we have to start. I´m not against it. My argument was that any organization will go to lenghts preventing seperation if it´s their money on the table. I´m sure lessons have been learned, that´s why I commented on holding tabs on the station computer. I think it´s a likely scenario.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That´s why they will go to lenghts, to prevent this, I guess.