Roswell: The lies just keep on coming.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Totally agree, the military sunk their own ship before it's christening with the mogul balloon story. A balloon that required a big cargo plane and lots of trucks to carry away that pile of sticks and foil shown in the news story with the bewildered intelligence officer holding a few pieces in his hand..

Here are just two of the main problems deciphering the Roswell story.

Did a fleet of trucks really visit the Foster ranch (or any of the other crash locations that have sprung up in the mythology as the years have passed)? Some of the pro-alien literature will tell you that a massive clean up operation was instigated with huge number of troops leaving a nuclear base to pick up every scrap of wreckage. None of the de-bunkers or contemporary news reports seem to support anything more than Marcel & Cavitt going out there.

Wilcox got in touch with the Roswell Army Air Field and Maj. Jesse A. Marcel and a man in plain clothes accompanied him home, where they picked up the rest of the pieces of the "disk" and went to his home to try to reconstruct it.

ROSWELL DAILY RECORD WEDNESDAY, JULY 9, 1947

The wreckage of whatever crashed was shipped on a B-26 bomber to Washington. Hardly a huge aircraft and certainly not a cargo transport. It stands 21ft high with a 71ft wingspan.

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(4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eight Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel.

(5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen.

(6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy.

(7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press

Brigadier General Thomas Dubose.
Commanding Officer of Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
Affadavit 09/16/01


Source : ufologie.patrickgross.org...

Dubose does state

The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press

Assuming he was not mistaken or lying then that can fit in with any number of explanations of what crashed except a weather balloon.

Roswell becomes whatever you want to make of it.

a reply to: mirageman

You said...

"Did a fleet of trucks really visit the Foster ranch (or any of the other crash locations that have sprung up in the mythology as the years have passed)"

Well there is certainly no hard evidence to support that. Zilch.

Nothing at all ever had to crash in order for the "story" the disinformation to continue just as long as Brazel or Sheriff Wilcox or both go along and participate.

The photos in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office are not proof of anything "crashing" because it all could have come from a mobile RADAR station that was located just down the way from Gen. Ramey's office. That is exactly what Col. Dubose said, and the unit was photographed flying RAWIN targets for the Press the next day.

originally posted by: lost_shaman
a reply to: klassless

Well I was hoping you would say something to support your claims.

I didn't make any claims. I don't accept UFO crashes and the record stands for what came down near Roswell, NOT a UFO. Let those who believe it did provide the evidence.

But you claimed you handled "debris" (a pristine Rawin target) from the Foster ranch at the National archives.

Also I don't believe Aliens crashed at Roswell, I've said that above in this thread.

Also why did you ignore karl12 when he asked if you were Skeptical Ed?

originally posted by: klassless



We are not supposed to be using "discs" or "disks". We are supposed to be calling them not "flying saucers" but "flying rocks"! I have never seen anyone saying that they skipped saucers across the water surface nor have I ever skipped saucers across water. But I have spent a lot of time walking near the water's edge looking for flat rocks that make skipping across the water worth the search.

Isn't it curious that the aerial phenomena that was reported conformed to a journalist's error since Arnold did not call the objects he claimed he saw "flying saucers", "flying discs", or "flying disks"? His original sketch resembled Horten Brothers' craft.

You might look again at the facts. It was only years later that Arnold said that he thought he had been misquoted. When he had not. However, its popular to believe that.

At anyrate Arnold's sighting is and was atypical. It is only of note because it was the first to grab the attiontion of the Press. Which became a big problem for the Military who were ramping up a serious investigation and did not want sightings published in the papers or broadcast on Radio for that matter.