Why is Tubal Cain revered by Masons?

originally posted by: Muffenstuff
Gospel? I was pointing out the fact that he said it, that he was later given the honorary degree and that if he was known to write untrue things about Masonry that this "honor" would not have been given him.

So at least SOME Masons must agree with his statement about Tubal-Cain. I am told telling falsehoods about Masonry are not considered virtuous so he must have been telling the truth.

Why? Was the 33rd given for this exact sentiment or for the fact that he was a prolific lecturer and dedicated to the Craft?

Keep going, it is always fun to have a non-member tell us about the ritual they have never participated in or even read.

Any reason why you still have not addressed Pythagoras and David? Pythagoras actually gets a better mention than Tubalcain, is he 'revered' too oh great and wise one?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Heh. You are not having fun at all. You seem very frantic and it shows, trying to get me to talk about Pythagoras or David is not a good strategy just a lousy attempt at changing the subject.

Get over it, I have lost interest in you and your ridiculousness. It was funny but you are just making your fraternity look bad and I don't want that as I am not anti Mason, just anti foolishness.

originally posted by: Muffenstuff
Heh. You are not having fun at all.

If you say so.

I have lost interest in you and your ridiculousness.

You said that earlier and that you were done with me but here you are, acting the fool again.

David, Pythagoras? Anyone. Bueller?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Muffenstuff
Heh. You are not having fun at all.

I have lost interest in you and your ridiculousness.

Bueller?

Didn't he have a day off?

originally posted by: TerryDon79
Didn't he have a day off?

Indeed he did, but he left me in charge on this one.

David and Pythagoras, mentioned and revered? Yes, no, maybe so?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Mentioned? Many times.

Revered? Hardly.

ETA: Thought I should add "admired". And that would be true also. In and out of freemasonry.

It looks like the OP is trying to play a "sounds like it so must be it" game. That's one of the most silly "logics" there are.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
Mentioned? Many times.

Revered? Hardly.

It is funny since Tubalcain gets a passing mention for his work in brass and iron but Pythagoras gets singled out for being an 'eminent Greek philosopher' and as a 'wise man who enriched his mind'.

He gets a whole paragraph and a symbol attributed solely to him in the lecture. Hell, the Pythagorean theorem is typically displayed in a very prominent place in each lodge.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Exactly.

Also, see my edit. I added "admired".

I'm still at a loss as how this OP is just about Freemasons though. The same could be said for bakers, bankers, mechanics, IT techs and all sorts.

a reply to: Muffenstuff
What you're not getting is that we Masons are saying that we don't revere him.

You're applying your own perspective completely out of context and implying we must think the same way.

That Masons revere Tubal Cain is merely your opinion, not ours. Neither Hall nor the blog has authority to dictate Masonic policy, that is left to each Grand Lodge.

a reply to: Muffenstuff
You have no idea why he was given the 33° nor its significance.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I know I revere Pythagoras. Bright guy.

You guys are getting very testy (get it, two ball...lol) over my opinion, if that is all it is when I say Masons revere Tubal-Cain then you are disproportionately worried about it. After all who am I that my opinion is so important and requires the attitude you have displayed in response to it? If YOU don't revere him fine.

You are just A Mason and I have more than enough solid evidence to logically conclude that he is revered in Masonry. So you can honestly say you don't, I believe you actually.

But I don't believe that he is not revered (or an applicable synonym) in Masonry. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.

a reply to: Muffenstuff

You want to show us all this "solid evidence"?

I'm sure if it's as solid as you believe, we wouldn't be able to prove it false.

a reply to: KSigMason

You would be spending your time more fruitfully trying to aggrivate the people who say you worship Satan and Lucifer than a guy asking about Tubal Cain.

At least then you would be right.

originally posted by: Muffenstuff
You are just A Mason...

Said the non-Mason.

But I don't believe that he is not revered...

Said the non-Mason.

a reply to: Muffenstuff

Oh grow up. It's called the recents list it came to the top because you replied.

As for your "evidence". You have a guy mentioning him and a made up link of "two balls sounds like tubal".

That's not solid evidence.

I get the impression that semantics is a big part of Masonic apologetics.

What appears to reverence is not reverence just a curious "mention."

Evidence becomes opinion, conjecture, the opinion being from a Mason means it is JUST his opinion and even though it's on a Masonic apologetics website and Tubal-Cain is paid compliments that are out of admiration and reverence for things that sound like admirable achievements it doesn't mean it is true, just his opinion.

I am sorry, am I expected to take you seriously or are you guys just bored and do this for fun.

Seriously.

a reply to: Muffenstuff

Still waiting for this "solid evidence" and not some guy mentioning a character and a play on words.

If that's what you call "solid evidence" then I would sincerely hope you're not a judge.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Muffenstuff
You are just A Mason...

Said the non-Mason.

But I don't believe that he is not revered...

Said the non-Mason.

Correction, SAYS the (thank God) non Mason.


If you don't want people thinking you revere someone you don't make him a part of your little rituals and tell people the reason is because of his accomplishments.

That damn sure fits the definition of reverence.

Notice I didn't say you revere Jubelo or Lucifer or Satan... because I know you don't mention them for their achievements, at all in the case of Satan and Lucifer.

Also notice the little Masonic side bar grumblings about me you make to each other that are actually kind of odd for mature adults to do in a debate.

Kind of gives away your feelings about me, not very strategic if you are trying to come accross as believable.

Because any non Mason reading this is going to find it a little cheap.

I am sorry that the non Masonic world finds you guys odd, but it has nothing to do with me you actually are odd.

You don't have a lot going for you as a fraternity and I get it, the glorious days of Masonry have come and gone and you basically are just a harmless if not somewhat silly fraternity that gets blamed for everything but I know you guys are far from the powerful fraternity people you think you are and just like pageants.

I agree it's unfair. But I am not that guy.

a reply to: Muffenstuff

Instead of ranting, how about posting this "solid evidence"?

You said you had some. It's certainly not been posted yet.