Baltimore: Black woman shot dead by police during alleged standoff while holding son

originally posted by: Iamthatbish

originally posted by: Nyiah
Bish, are you jumping to her defense (despite the pint-sized human shield & aiming at police) because she was a she, because she was black, or because she was pretty? All of the above? I'm guessing a mix of all of the above, with emphasis on Answer C. A pretty face always attracts (pun intended) some degree of sympathy, no matter the crimes. If she was butt-ugly, I doubt anyone would be defending her actions at all.

I'm a straight woman. I do however have two children on the autism spectrum. And I really hate the fact that people with guns don't understand the part of our population that can be the most vulnerable. The problem with anything in the DSM manual is you are unlikely to look at a person and see that there is an issue.

The person with a diagnosis in the DSM manual may not even know how to express the confussion or ask questions appropriately. Add in a bully with a gun and the minions that defend the blue gang regardless and no one wins..

Pet peeve. Sorry

"If you don't leave, I'm going to kill you". Is that supposed to be a neon sign for autism or some s#? Police aren't psychic, and brandishing (let alone firing) a weapon isn't limited to autistic women. A threat is a threat, they were well in the right on their actions as far as I'm concerned.

Cut the crap, Bish. There's no need to white knight this one. No one knew beforehand of any "mental issues". And if all she presented as as "mentally disabled" was belligerent & thick-skulled, that's 90% of the population on any given day anyway. No dice on that excuse, IMO.

BTW, an ok run-down on this thus far via He avy.com

a reply to: Iamthatbish

why you brought up the resisting arrest only, i pointed out that you can't be if your not in a interaction with them.

and she wouldn't be dead if she didn't threaten them and then after one shot was fired, she fired at them several times.
she had plenty of chance to give up, she choose poorly and paid the price for it.

as i have said before, only fools resist arrest, your not gonna win.

a reply to: Nyiah

The police were not called to this address without time to prepare. The police had a file on this woman and her erratic behaviors. From the way they acted knowing they were on camera they did not value her life.

Taking the time to be properly prepared for her problems whatever they were didn't matter to them. They are out of control bullies.

All I can think of is that the Interwebs are forever. Those specific officers will be doing much more chasing of suspects than the rest. Anyone near them will be afraid to get shot.

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
a reply to: Nyiah

The police were not called to this address without time to prepare. The police had a file on this woman and her erratic behaviors. From the way they acted knowing they were on camera they did not value her life.

Taking the time to be properly prepared for her problems whatever they were didn't matter to them. They are out of control bullies.

All I can think of is that the Interwebs are forever. Those specific officers will be doing much more chasing of suspects than the rest. Anyone near them will be afraid to get shot.

she valued her life and her children's even less.

how can a person who puts children as a defense against police looking for the person.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie
Resisting arrest has been documented as a charge that is thrown around too loosely to mean anything.

Police scream, " stop resisting" to dead bodies. I myself lived through the stupidity that is resisting arrest. If it means something to you that's fine. You may want to look into how it's become so misused that it doesn't represent it's original form.

a reply to: odzeandennz

I have not seen that in the video. I have seen a disturbed woman. This is a conspiracy site. Come on!! They stopped the documentation!
The end. No excuses. If they had nothing to hide they would be pointing at it proudly. One shot one kill just like COD

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
a reply to: Nyiah

The police were not called to this address without time to prepare. The police had a file on this woman and her erratic behaviors. From the way they acted knowing they were on camera they did not value her life.

Taking the time to be properly prepared for her problems whatever they were didn't matter to them. They are out of control bullies.

All I can think of is that the Interwebs are forever. Those specific officers will be doing much more chasing of suspects than the rest. Anyone near them will be afraid to get shot.

You do know they were serving two warrants for two people, correct? Another resident had a warrant out, too. Kind of heightens the odds of being on the alert when trying to arrest people.

World's tiniest violin for you. And her. She picked Choice Roulette & lost.

a reply to: Nyiah

That makes research even more important. So, if there were two warrants being served for traffic violations I'm sure they had the names and records of the individuals they needed to serve. That means they should have an understanding of what this specific situation needed.

Save your violin. I'm saddened that there is anyone that can see a loss of life and not care.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
Do all criminals deserve to die in the US? Aren't the police trained to disable at all? Surely she could have been shot in the leg or arm or wherever but not killed? I've seen some very very petty reasons for police killing some people when a disabling shot would have worked just as well. Some crimes really don't deserve a death penalty

Yeah, they missed her hand.

She had another kid in the house too.

Kelly had a segment on her, she was pretty radical. Telling her kid he might have to fight the cops, when stopped for a traffic thing.

She told the kid, in the house that the cops were going to kill them. She video'd him saying it!

Tyt

Not everyone is on the blue gangs side

Apparently it was a 6 hr. standoff and the police brought the womans' mother and a psychologist.

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I just watched the video of her during her traffic stop. She says things about not participating in "your laws" and just pretty much refusing to comply with anything. What's really hard to watch is her talking to her kids, telling her little boy to fight the police. I feel so bad for him and the other baby. I hope they're not too scarred.



edit: I don't know how long before the shooting this video was taken. I assume these are different cops but still.. To the people saying the shooting situation could've been handled better, in this video you see how she acts with, in my opinion, extremely patient police. She keeps repeating that the cops are going to have to kill her. Had she had a gun in this situation, it probably would've ended the same; don't you think? I keep hearing people say "mental illness". That doesn't necessarily mean she was unable to know better. I'd think many of the people who are shot by police are mentally disabled. It makes sense, unfortunately. I don't know if she is or not. I hope it doesn't become a trend to call all of these people participating in this destructive culture, "mentally disabled". The new excuse for when it becomes even more obvious that some of these people are in the wrong.

This is a sick woman folks. A very sad story

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
Do you realize someone died over a failure to appear?! That's a life!

I don't care how good you think the police officer was at shooting... They still shot to kill. I hope the lawsuit for this wrongful death pays for this child to go to law school and help others.

Every single one of the responses above my post shows why there are more people buying guns. The correct response was to walk away and send an expert to serve the worthless fta. Clearly none of these had any sense between them to make something that stupid a life ending issue.

This has to stop. The officers need better training. They need to value the people and treat them with respect rather than simply being bullies with guns.

I responded to your post after I read what you posted to paperdoll. This is what you said and I am quoting you.

"Iamthatbish
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posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 06:56 PM link quote reply a reply to: paperdoll

It'd sure be nice if the police had more respect for human life and stopped treating their job like a video game while they have personalities of toddlers undergoing temper tantrams.

I have lived in both good and bad neighborhoods in my life thank you very much. I also know that as long as you choose who you wish to value and respect you don't need to know any more about me.

That attitude is part of the problem, and you may want to reread what you typed to see if that's how you really feel. Either way, I'm done with you.

Btw, this is why police get shot no questions asked."

First I want to say how dare you get on here and make a comment like that about this is why police get shot no questions asked but if someone who is black, has a firearm (threatening to use it), has her son barricaded in her apt with her while police are trying to DE-ESCELATE the situation by bringing her mother, a therapist and having a six hour standoff with her. All the while she kept telling them that she was going to "kill them" if they didn't leave. Really? That is your statement?

Yes it is sad that she died but she choose to put not only herself but two of her children in harms way. Fortunately one of her children made it out without harm.

Bringing her son into that situation and asking him to answer to adult questions/issues was so cruel and despicable it made me sick to watch. For her to do this she clearly did not look out for him correctly. Poor little guy will grow up to hate authority figures as well.

There are videos on the web of her being pulled over for a lack of license plate. She thought she was above us other law abiding citizens and was fighting, instructing her children to fight and telling them "if you put your hands on me you will have to murder her". All over being pulled over because she thought she was a sovereign citizen.

When the dots are connected we see a woman who defensive and deluded off jump.

In your first post you stated and I quote - "The correct response was to walk away and send an expert to serve the worthless fta" - is bewildering to me because they had a warrant, entered the apt after knocking with no response even though they heard voices, obtained a key and entered the apt to see her sitting there with her child in the floor with a weapon telling them to leave or she will kill them. How can you come to this conclusion? Are you being obtuse on purpose? Do you have an agenda and a narrative to go by?

Then you said and I quote - "This has to stop. The officers need better training. They need to value the people and treat them with respect rather than simply being bullies with guns" - I agree this has to stop on both sides. The cops who are dirty need to be held accountable for their actions and the attitude of "I'm just gonna do wtf I want and resist every time and officer approaches me". In this case I think it is evident who the protagonist was. To use a hot button word like "bully" only enforces my thoughts that you have a narrative/agenda to push here.

You can't just go around with your child, your gun in tow and threaten to kill police if they are there to arrest you. It could have all been settled if she just came outside and went to clear it up before the whole incident became escalated. Simple as that.

My heart is in agony for this child. He was innocent. May he find peace.

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
Apparently it was a 6 hr. standoff and the police brought the womans' mother and a psychologist.

www.facebook.com...

I just replied to a post on here that sent me into a tizzy and was gonna say that because that is what I thought I heard on the news but so glad you confirmed it for me. Now I can edit my post. Thank you.

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
a reply to: smurfy

By your link (not directed at you) the police fired a weapon at this developmently disabled woman and used her response to get a warrant more suitabke to their desires.

I don't believe anything they have to say. They should have never terminated the documentation of events. That alone tells me they're spinning some tale.

It is attitudes like yours that caused this event to take place. You push agendas/narratives beyond their limits to where "developmently disabled" people hear the agenda/narrative and buy into it. Then you turn around and blame someone else.

Circular logic.

End. of. story.

a reply to: ReAdY2AsCeNd

I know what I said, I stand by it. Every single word.

If you don't like it kick rocks.

Traffic violations and mental illness should not equal death. It should equal court and physcological help.

If it's painful to read that this is why the police get shot. Read it again. THIS IS WHY THE POLICE GET SHOT.

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Sigh... The police officer was chastised by the judge. Let's leave my reason for paying extra attention to how the police behave alone and focus on how the next time we read about a police interaction the person lives long enough to be a defendant?

Eta: no, the police office had an ego trip and wanted me to say nothing. Not one word. He specifically said, " if you say one more word I'm arresting you." and when it was my turn to speak he threw me against the second floor half wall in the mall and arrested me. Didn't need bond, the people there called the police on the police because I was almost thrown off the second floor. Pregnant too. The judge just loved that.

Sadly, police officer is one of those occupations that attracts sociopaths in higher than average numbers. Combined with the fact that the primary attractant for many is the ability to wield power over others, this cowboy cop mentality is all too common.

I'm not making any claim about whether the situation in the OP was handled correctly, just to be clear. I'm simply saying that a big part of the problem is the job itself and the type of people it attracts, and what the job does to good men over time. Perhaps one solution worth considering is to change the nature of the job. For example, must we send enforcers as the first line into every situation? Why not employ more negotiators, mediators, psychologists. I know, I know... that would cost more than we want to spend.

originally posted by: ReAdY2AsCeNd

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
a reply to: smurfy

By your link (not directed at you) the police fired a weapon at this developmently disabled woman and used her response to get a warrant more suitabke to their desires.

I don't believe anything they have to say. They should have never terminated the documentation of events. That alone tells me they're spinning some tale.

It is attitudes like yours that caused this event to take place. You push agendas/narratives beyond their limits to where "developmently disabled" people hear the agenda/narrative and buy into it. Then you turn around and blame someone else.

Circular logic.

End. of. story.

This event took place because the blue gang were tired of waiting according to their statement. Take a look at what I wrote again.

Both parties where wrong. However as the leo are the ones being paid and should have had the proper training the fault lies at their feet.

It's attitudes like yours that cause closed communities and hatred. If you refuse to even consider there was more consideration to public apperence then there was for this woman's life, I don't know what to tell you.

Personally I'm tired of the depressing news. This life was valuable. Crazy but valuable. You seem heartless but I find your life to be no less valuable.

a reply to: Greggers

I think your suggestion is the only reasonable solution. The numbers of people on some form of antidepressants is at an all time high. The people out working with this public need a better understanding of what they are working with.