Russia cyber attack: Large hack 'hits government'

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: thesungod

Back on topic, I do find it interesting the timing of this news release though.

What actaully happended is that some one did indeed
hack all of the Presidential Campaigns according to Clapper.

Back From May 18th, 2016
Intelligence Chief James Clapper Warns Presidential Campaigns Have Been Hacked

But to date they are not ready to blame Russia.

Then again, Russia is also known for its conspiracy theories.

If Russia indeed did do the hacking....

Then again, it could be the NSA hacking Russia.

That was interesting read.

Been going on for YEARS, and they never did anything about it.

a reply to: burntheships

Very interesting. As I said I love this back and forth cyber war stuff.

No real rules on the inter/national scale to hold anyone back, not like with Nukes.

I mean Nitro Zeus and the Iran deal are part of it, I believe.

a reply to: burntheships

So really, as it stands, Clinton is the one tied to Russia.

Trump & Putin. Yes, It's Really a Thing

There is something between a non-trivial and a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence for a financial relationship between Trump and Putin or a non-tacit alliance between the two men. Even if you draw no adverse conclusions, Trump's financial empire is heavily leveraged and has a deep reliance on capital infusions from oligarchs and other sources of wealth aligned with Putin. That's simply not something that can be waved off or ignored.

Look - we have enough problems all on our own without dragging Russia into any of it - I get it. The USA is hardly blameless when it comes to our involvement with other governments in other nations - for sure

This thread is about Russia's claim that it's been attacked. Maybe it has - maybe it hasn't. Maybe it was us - maybe it's some kids in Hong Kong

I brought it up because: Trump asked Russia to find Hillary's emails after Russia was already implicated - and here we are today

:-)

ETA: the link above is just one guy theorizing - but he does have actual dots to connect - not just theories. It's worth a read

a reply to: carewemust

A peek from years ago when Russia penetrated Ukraine networks...
this news tends to usually fly under the radar and usually does not
garner much attention.

Peek

Not to say the DNC hack is lackluster, but I cant help but notice
that the information itself is on the back burner if at all.

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: burntheships

Very interesting. As I said I love this back and forth cyber war stuff.

No real rules on the inter/national scale to hold anyone back, not like with Nukes.

I mean Nitro Zeus and the Iran deal are part of it, I believe.

Mutually Assured Cyberdestruction?

From the way back machine.

a reply to: thesungod

Sorry I missed this post :-)

Check out the link in my last post

originally posted by: neo96

Been going on for YEARS, and they never did anything about it.

Yep. Love this part.... ( I wont name names )

"Everybody was sitting with their pants down and by the time we looked at the sites in March www.militarytimes.com...

a reply to: neo96

Yeah, I was all but gone from ATS then. Good read and foresight.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Wow, just wow. This is too good even for hollywood. They are both in bed with Russia business wise it seems.

This election cycle is surreal to me.

We've got two super villians running for office. Just wow.

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: burntheships

Very interesting. As I said I love this back and forth cyber war stuff.

No real rules on the inter/national scale to hold anyone back...

There may be wording in agreements with certain countries at the time,
and NATO recently moved to incorporate cyber attacks as a literal warfare.

www.wsj.com...

Of course, that wont help much if one is sabotaged from its own
intelligence community.



foreignpolicy.com...

a reply to: thesungod

All interesting - definitely

Determining villains is sometimes a matter of opinion. We're in an undeclared war for territory, alliances and resources

Hard to say where the crimes start and stop or who is the worst of the worst. Same as last go around. Not that there was any real break in between

It will be interesting to see if this fizzles or if there's more

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Yes, good observation there ....
"after" indeed.

One thing about the intelligence community they
don't usually come to the table with a political view.

a reply to: burntheships

One thing about the intelligence community they don't usually come to the table with a political view.

As long as we're singling out words: Usually?

:-)

I am so tired of partisan BS

I promise you - for what it's worth - that I didn't post to badmouth Trump. Seriously - he doesn't need any help

This is something that could be a much bigger story - or it could turn out to be what you think it is

But if it is the bigger story? Holy crap!

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Was not pointing the finger at you, was just relating the story back
to the community. The last thing they think about is politics.

Back to Russia, my real concern would be they have access to
the voting software... they hacked Ukraine's and affected
the vote. Now there is a real worry.

a reply to: burntheships

they hacked Ukraine's and affected the vote. Now there is a real worry.

Interestingly enough.

Rigged voting machines was another plot from the Good Wife, by her party.

More than foreign powers one has to worry about.

a reply to: neo96

Interestingly enough, Clinton Foundation
donors that have made huge contributions
own the machines. They have already been
implicated in the States where Clinton won
with about 1% margin.

thebernreport.com...

In this corner you have Trump, who back peddles and flip flops more than John Kerry. In the other corner you have Hillary, who is always blaming a "vast right wing conspiracy".

Sounds almost like Jerry Springer.

a reply to: burntheships

Was not pointing the finger at you, was just relating the story back to the community. The last thing they think about is politics.

I knew that :-)

It's hard to have a conversation anymore that doesn't devolve - which is all I meant. I'm not here to influence the election. I'm actually very interested to see if there's more to all this

I have to guess that whatever it is we think we know out here is small potatoes

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

I have to guess that whatever it is we think we know out here is small potatoes

Indeed. Hacking is but just one way, there are many others.

The Hacks We Cant See
motherboard.vice.com...

I think blaming a zuperpower like "Russia" makes the hack seem more excusable, verses if it came from a minor power or a lesser party like the Jamaican Bobsled Team.

As poorly as Trump handled the transaction, you have to admit it was a net gain. Neither does the brewing crisis in Turkie reflect well on Barack Hillary Obama.

Recent hacks against the west were mostly done by the west itself to prop up a sector which is poised to bankruptcy. That is IT security. IT security is fundamentally a fraud, as it was in early 2000s with the millennium bug and other scams alike. The collapse of IT security market might be in fact the next bubble.
Most of the hacking that has been going on since 2010, have been directed and done by western intelligence agencies, in order to prop up IT security market scams.
The kind of security that they supposedly provide to various companies are exclusively measures enginered by the intelligence agencies to provide "security patches" with their pre-designed backdoors.
But most importantly, the IT-security sector is a fraud, due to false claims, that some actor might take advantages out of some data from Yahoo or whatever else. It is designed to create a widespread psychosis of people against hypothetical mostly inhexistent hacker, to cover up the tracks of EU and NATO intelligence activities.