ISIS quietly preparing for the end of Caliphate

It looks like ISIS as slowly breaking it to thier followers that Caliphate in Syria and Iraq is about to fall. For anybody following things about a year ago US backed forces in Iraq and Syria began coordinating their offensives, that combined with US air strikes ruined ISIS ability to move forces and respond to being attacked. And along with that the US has been killing ISIS leaders in droves over the last year leaving them with less experienced leaders. Over the last years a series of advances has lead to Mosul and Raqqa being ISIS last two strong holds. The plan being the both will fall before the end of the year. It is kind of hard to deny this so ISIS has now been preparing its followers for the bad news. ISIS Prepares for fall

So they have been saying things like

“The crusaders and their apostate clients are under the illusion that . . . they will be able to eliminate all of the Islamic State’s provinces at once, such that it will be completely wiped out and no trace of it will be left,” the article states. In reality, the group’s foes “will not be able to eliminate it by destroying one of its cities or besieging another of them, or by killing a soldier, an emir or an imam,”

And to shore up support they are reminding their followers that came back (when the were called Al Quaida in Iraq) from almost being destroyed by the US surge in 2008.

“Were we defeated when we lost the cities in Iraq and were in the desert without any city or land? And would we be defeated and you be victorious if you were to take Mosul, Sirte or Raqqa, or even take all the cities?” asked Adnani, referring to the Islamic State’s primary strongholds in Iraq, Libya and Syria. “Certainly not!”

Likely what will happen is another group end up taking over the ISIS brand. All the random local terror groups that once took the name Al Quaida and the later ISIS will find another franchise to take up because terrorist do not like to follow losers. ISIS has been lashing out from its death bead but, the time is coming for its end. And the best part of ISIS defeat is it does not require a US occupation force to maintain. By supporting local forces, that problem is not an issue.

a reply to: MrSpad

God bless American and it's allies.

After years of fighting with ISIS, they are finally on the edge of defeating them!

They did it, all by themselves!

Let's not mention Russia and Iran...

a reply to: MrSpad

So wait. The Muslims didn't come and conquer the west after all?

a reply to: MrSpad

maybe stop bombing israel's neighbourhood and then with the same personel and benefits do local cops who shoot unarmed Tamir Rice & all the ones not in the youtube

so he didnt do gitmo but he seems to have done cut on invading sovereign nation this current president has

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: MrSpad

God bless American and it's allies.

After years of fighting with ISIS, they are finally on the edge of defeating them!

They did it, all by themselves!

Let's not mention Russia and Iran...

As Russia and Iran have mostly been fighting other rebels groups why would I mention them. And now that those rebels have been driven off Assad and the Russian's have been having some problems with ISIS simply because they are not used to fighting them. And yes the key advances against ISIS have all been US backed. That is a simple matter of geography.

And you have a void left wide open for a power vacuum when they leave which will no doubt continue to hold the region in a destabilised state. Job done. You also have an army of hardline fanatics who will disappear into the night to cause destruction elsewhere.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MrSpad

So wait. The Muslims didn't come and conquer the west after all?

I thought Obama wasnt taking ISIS seriously?

ETA; On a serious note. I highly doubt the fall of the caliphate ends ISIS or its 'fanatics'. Ground loss yes- but they will still 'inspire' attacks

originally posted by: sg1642
And you have a void left wide open for a power vacuum when they leave which will no doubt continue to hold the region in a destabilised state. Job done. You also have an army of hardline fanatics who will disappear into the night to cause destruction elsewhere.

Welcome to the worldwide game of wack-a-mole. This is why I was always against military intervention.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MrSpad

So wait. The Muslims didn't come and conquer the west after all?

The bogeyman did conquer the west no problem.

What i fear is their indoctrination machinery in place which seems to be able to convince any Muslim from any part of life to be able to do unspeakable things. The problem with terrorism is that its decentralized, you can easily get self radicalized Mosques and their Imams can play their own terror game secretly. I am sorry to say this but the ideology of the sunnis need to be wiped out one way or another.

Welcome to the election cycle.

"GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead" simply won't work this go around.

So, for the next six months we will hear about how ISIS/ISIL is crushed. After the elections we'll find that it was a intelligence error or some such and we actually need twice as much funding/manpower to defeat them.

unless america does america like it ought to

the people who led ISIS may die.. but the fight will never end..

ISIS has morphed, every nation in the middle east now contributes forces to the regional militia. All the extremists have been invited from all the nations slums.

It has begun, chemical weapons will be the next big threat!

The greatest crime in all of this is the West's lack of legitimate desire to destroy ISIS.

That's clear proof there some s___ in the game.


Isis could have been a unifying force allowing divergent interested countries to come together and defeat this wicked enemy.

But no; the US still wants to fight Syria and destroy that country as it destroyed Iraq and Libya.


Recall Ronald Reagan’s words about how if an alien force attacked the planet the countries would then all unite and forget about their petty squabbles and defeat the attacking aliens.

Well this is the exact premise (ISIS rather than aliens) going on and it was and still is the US and NATO that blocks uniting with Syria and Russia to destroy ISIS

originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MrSpad

So wait. The Muslims didn't come and conquer the west after all?

I thought Obama wasnt taking ISIS seriously?

ETA; On a serious note. I highly doubt the fall of the caliphate ends ISIS or its 'fanatics'. Ground loss yes- but they will still 'inspire' attacks

Without the base of operations, money produced, and street cred of the Caliphate ISIS loses most its luster. Much like Al Aquida appeal is lost when they get their butts kicked. They will continue on but, not be anything close to what they once were.

a reply to: MrSpad

Turn off your television.

You can't see clearly anymore. Reading your posts is the same as reading and watching anything MSM.

It's sad, especially considering you're a moderator on ATS!

And, it's not true what you just said. Yesterday Russia launched major attack on ISIS, and completely destroyed them.

originally posted by: 200Plus
Welcome to the election cycle.

"GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead" simply won't work this go around.

So, for the next six months we will hear about how ISIS/ISIL is crushed. After the elections we'll find that it was a intelligence error or some such and we actually need twice as much funding/manpower to defeat them.

Bingo !!

This is all about elections and red herrings.

originally posted by: bknapple32

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: MrSpad

So wait. The Muslims didn't come and conquer the west after all?

I thought Obama wasnt taking ISIS seriously?

ETA; On a serious note. I highly doubt the fall of the caliphate ends ISIS or its 'fanatics'. Ground loss yes- but they will still 'inspire' attacks

Yeah, shows they're just as vulnerable to cutbacks from the effects of modern technology like many other business. That's why they've resorted to inspiring lone wolf attacks and indoctrination via social media. No more brick and mortar ISIS, it's all gonna be handled over the WorldWideWeb. See, they CAN adapt.

a reply to: Nikola014

It's sad, especially considering you're a moderator on ATS!

And still a member.

Seems many forget this.