Wicca/Witchcraft - Is it real? ANY PROOF?

a reply to: theworldunknown

I want to know what the real intent is of those who study and practice it (is).

Wicca, like any other faith, is about establishing a personal connection with a higher universal consciousness, typically called the God and Goddess.

Wicca is also a personal quest of self-discovery, one which pushes the practitioner to search for purpose and meaning in their own lives.

And finally, Wicca is a religion centered around veneration of patterns observed in nature, such as the cycle of the seasons and the precession of the Equinoxes.

To sum up, Wicca is a religion that views the human being as a conduit between the Natural World and the Spiritual World, and justifies this by attaching symbolic meaning to Nature and its cycles, as they apply to the stages of human life: birth, growth, decay, death, and eventual regeneration.

do you have an internal power after doing rituals, or making herbs

An important distinction to keep in mind is that Wicca and witchcraft are not the same thing. You can be a Wiccan who doesn't practice witchcraft just as easily as you can practice witchcraft without being a Wiccan.

If you're going to practice witchcraft—whether in the form of alchemy, astrology, divination, herbalism, or spell-craft—the goal is seldom power-based. Such notions belong to Hollywood melodrama and high fantasy. If somebody has told you that witchcraft is about power and control they've mislead you.

Witchcraft is about results. If you're brewing a special herbal tea, you're doing it because you want the ingredients within to produce a restorative (or siphoning) effect. If you're studying the stars for omens, you're doing it because you want to apply such portents to your life and the goals you've stated.

like you would if you opened your third eye?

I don't have much to say regarding this, except that the "third eye" has as much proof as Wicca, or Jesus, or Reiki, or any other spiritual or religious Tradition or discipline.

Is it not just a mental trance your putting yourself in?

Is the ability to focus and quiet the mind something bad though?

If a Wiccan is only mastering their thoughts to make themselves more productive, wouldn't that still be a beneficial quality to have attached to your practice?

Buddhist monks also just put themselves into "mental trances" when they perform many of their impressive physical feats. Does that mean there's not real power in such practices, just because it's self-mastery instead of spiritual possession?

do they genuinely believe that it's the spirit world contacting them?

Mystical encounters have been a part of the human experience for nearly fifty thousand years. Whether it's a Wiccan feeling the presence of his God and Goddess; a Christian basking in the love of Jesus Christ; a Hindu touching the essence of Ganesha through meditation and Yoga; a pagan encountering Odin the Wanderer on the road to somewhere new; a polytheist experiencing the numenous nature of the Neter or Anunnaki in Nature; or a paleolithic man touching something Other in the belly of a dark cave, no one can qualify that spiritual experience for you: you just have to seek it out and see if its receptive.

~ Wandering Scribe

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Mrgone

Come on, don't be bothered by me laughing, be happy you brightened some strangers day. Magic!

You did it again! Necronomicon, and yeah I successfully broke my mind, that's the only proof one gets when experimenting with the dark arts. It doesn't change the world but your perception of it.

I'm not bothered by you laughing. We don't know each other so how i take you having a piss at my expense isn't really interesting to me.

What is is that i took magic serious as a child. I read a bunch. I found the Necrinomicon to be an early twentieth century version of Harry Potter. It's for the morals not the wand.

You see, the Necrinomicon teaches us through metaphors that no matter what you are into you will get out of it what you put in. Behave evil and there will be a price to pay. So be good for goodness sake. I don't need magic for that to be true.

But i defer to your expertise. OP, this person has all your answers and is humble. You should listen to them when it comes to magicians tools.

Have a good day

a reply to: theworldunknown

the power is within you - to bend matter to your will.

originally posted by: theworldunknown
I want to become a Wiccan & study Witchcraft.
Yeah I get that Witchcraft & Wicca isn't about flying broomsticks and love spells etc., but I want to know what the real intent is of those who study and practice it.
Like, do you have an internal power after doing rituals, or making herbs etc., like you would if you opened your third eye?
Is it not just a mental trance your putting yourself in? And do witches/wiccans know this, or do they genuinely believe that it's the spirit world contacting them?

its all in the mind. are you familiar with noetics? "witchcraft" (to use the primitive label) is applied noetics, roughly. exerting your uh..."psychokinesis" using the connection that many believe binds all matter and energy on a fundamental level. this is the connection some refer to as a third eye, although i feel "eye" is a misnomer. its more like a door, because you not only both transmit and receive data, you also cannot always control what comes or goes, or even whether its open or not. is it real? i cannot say. i have never knowingly witnessed or performed such a marvel. moreover it is a very dangerous exercise for those inexperienced with the philotic network that organizes our reality. rooting your phone is an okay analogy. you jailbreak your device and that gives you a lot of direct influence or access at the cost of serious security. energy in any form is still subject to the laws of physics and the more serious consequences of monkeying with its finer workings, for whatever reason, are not always obvious and not always immediate. its a very good thing that "witchcraft" is not a mainstream tool. we cant even handle basic firearms responsibly and then there are some people who think manipulating objects from a distance and conjuring fire from thin air through psychoatomic interfacing is a swell notion.

a reply to: tigertatzen
Excellent post!

If you don't mind, I have a question...

Which type of magic(spell work) do you find yourself using most? Sympathetic, emotional resonance, other?

a reply to: Mrgone

Both you and Peeple are right - the Necronomicon whilst "fiction" can be as real as you want it to be. Just remember that there are lessons you will be learning whichever path you start on. The lessons learned will help you in finding your true "centre of Power"

a reply to: TzarChasm

"It's all in the mind" for your perception.

It seems like one has to read through a lot of fantasy before getting to anything real when it comes to wiccan "magic".

I tried getting into it a few years ago but there was so much harry potter-like lore and goddess giberrish that I couldn't sit through it all to actually practice the "magic".

a reply to: trollz

It's all about self delusion.

a reply to: Klassified

Why thank you! I would say both sympathetic and emotional resonance pretty nicely describe the majority of my spellwork. I do a lot of healing work for both humans and animals on a routine basis. Lots of protective work as well. What about you? Do you practice?

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First off, it's a religion. It's as real as any other religion, and if you are looking for a religion you should look for one that agrees with your view of the world. Do you believe that nature is sacred? Do you want to celebrate the actual seasons, spring, winter, fall, etc.? Do you believe that the essential nature of divinity is oneness, and that you should worship that oneness as a being of two faces, a god and a goddess encompassing all gods and goddesses in every religion? Do you appreciate the 4 alchemical elements and want to incorporate them into your view of the world? If yes, then maybe wicca is a good fit for you.

Wiccans also perform rituals, but so do most other religions. The thing that differentiates wicca from most other mainstream regions is that wicca encourages the practice of magick. The practice of magick DOES fall into the category of the occult. Wicca is not the only magickal system. There are multitudes of magickal systems. If you are not looking for a new religion, (or if you are, but wicca doesn't sound like what you believe) then you can look for any other magickal system. There are medieval christian systems, voodoo, the sacred order of the golden dawn, the o.t.o., modern druids, Santeria, candomble, and a smorgasbord of original shamanic traditions scattered across the globe.

You want proof it works? You have to put the time in. When you have mastered the art, you will know exactly what it's capable of. Most people who start practicing wicca don't stick with it very long. The reason is wicca is a very new religion, so it's very easy to start, because the beginning phases are well documented, but once you gain a certain level if skill, there's nowhere else to go with it. So you can stay wiccan and try to build the advanced levels of the religion more, or you convert again to an older system that's more developed for advanced practitioners. Lots of wiccans become neopagan reconstructionists or ceremonial magicians or reiki healers or whatever.

Wicca also has a taint because it became too popular too fast and got flooded with dabblers that gave up and converted away from the occult either because they didn't realize magick was so much work (a LOT of work) or they DID get good enough and then got really freaked out when the weird # started happening (you never know if you can actually handle it until you get there). So wicca has become a religion pretty much full of people just starting out, where long-term practitioners end up going deeper into the occult/shamanism/ etc. But they no longer can identify as pure wiccans because their advanced occult studies already had other names (voodoo, kundalini, tantra, etc). It is a really good place to start in the occult if you know nothing else about it though, because there's so much beginner-level material, and because it borrows so heavily from other occult sources, it's like sampling a bit of everything. You can use it to figure out what type of religion or occultism really speaks to you. I started our wiccan and now identify as an Irish pagan instead, if you want to get technical that means I'm a "neopagan reconstructionist" because I'm reconstructing my own religion out of old Irish paganism. I've been practicing magick for 20 years. I can tell you this, if all you want to do is prove that magick works, you're going to waste a lot of your own personal time only to eventually prove it does work, but only to yourself. Then you will still be unable to convince other people that it works. If you feel like a very deeply spiritual person who wants to work a lot harder on improving and understanding your soul, then I highly recommend it. Otherwise, don't bother.

"Principalities" govern, control and direct those who are serious when practicing an occult theme. Wicca is one of these occult themes.

Principalities is a spiritual individual or group of individuals assigned to a certain task within the occult to help those achieve their desires and there is a "principality" assigned to Wiccan. I will not speak out the name for "it".

"Principalities" are in the air, ground and underground and swearing an oath to a occult practice is swearing an oath to that assigned "principality". Your devotion and worship within any particular occult practice will give you an advantage but at what price and this advantage is limited.....

Your ritual or "call out" will occur depending on your "authority" given.... the principality will do the work NOT the witch.

The words that come out of everyone's mouth has limited power which can be magnified by a "principality" ONLY if you do proper worship and sacrifice to "it".

There is no such thing as white or black magic for it ALL is forbidden BUT those who are atheist, those who do not believe in a supernatural world, those who are not being protected (spiritually) are easiest to punish, torture and destroy.

Do not practice Wicca.

a reply to: GmAndre
I have been interested in the old religion for a long time and I agree with you that most of the groups related to wiccan, paganism and other types of cults related to what is called witchfraft -concept born after cristianism-, is really a melting pot of whatever with almost no real history knowledge and understanding of the actual subject. I am currently researching the topic. I liked your brief and sharp description of them. One of the stupid and lower things I have heard from them is a guy with a T shirt with the prunt of his website and a big ring saying that conjuring, hexing and using dark magic for evil is the second hand of the work, the other side of the coin and that its necessary for balance. So... Here you have an example of what they are..

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: Klassified

Why thank you! I would say both sympathetic and emotional resonance pretty nicely describe the majority of my spellwork. I do a lot of healing work for both humans and animals on a routine basis. Lots of protective work as well. What about you? Do you practice?

I would classify myself as an energy worker.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

There is no such thing as white or black magic for it ALL is forbidden BUT those who are atheist, those who do not believe in a supernatural world, those who are not being protected (spiritually) are easiest to punish, torture and destroy.

This is where your Christian based occult education has failed you, my good man. Not all atheists reject spirituality, or the supranatural. Again, atheists have one thing in common... a lack of belief in God(s). Everything else is individual to the atheist.

I know some wiccans, they just don't buy into mainstream religions. Not much else to say about it. I don't think there are any secrets or agendas

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: nullafides
a reply to: theworldunknown


Wicca is the biggest hodgepodge of hokum I've ever come across.

I've met people with power. And they were not the wanna-be's that are the average "Wiccan".

I have to second this. The last "wiccan" I met informed me that she likes to put cakes and food out in the woods at night so fairies can eat it while she's sleeping. She was completely serious. That's about par for the course with those people.

was the cake gone in the morning

a reply to: theworldunknown

Speaking as a Pagan (but not a Wiccan) I believe you misunderstand what the Pagan faiths are all about, only the very new to these paths think this is about "powers".

fake all fake