Another view of what could have happened in the Philandro Castile incident?

I am afraid to even post this as it goes against the narrative of what we know about in this case. This is pure speculation from a conspiracy standpoint. Probably not true, and from a conservative website. Just wanted to rule this angle of it out. Anyway the link goes on about an armed robbery that took place before this incident with a suspect matching this man who died in the car. Again, take the information for what it is and not what website it is from.

theconservativetreehouse.com...


iTruthSeeker

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

I was walking one fine day, suddenly knocked down from behind and the muzzle of a twelve gauge shoved into the back of my neck.

Was told not to move and hurriedly frisked. He's clean. He's not the guy, lets go.

WTF, I said as they were leaving. "You matched the description of someone who just shot and killed the liquor store proprietor up the street."

Oh, I bet. Later I read there were two and they fled by car, not on foot.

Go ahead and kick a hornets nest though... I can't even imagine what life must be like in Dallas right now.

This is not idle speculation.

KARE has audio from the police scanner radio.

KARE 11 has attempted to confirm the authenticity of the recording with police officials, but so far they have not responded.

We have verified that the license plate mentioned by police in the recording matches the plate of the car Castile was driving.

The location the officer gives also corresponds to the locations of the traffic stop.

“I’m going to stop a car,” the officer says on the recording. “I’m going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over.” “The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery,” the officer says. “The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set nose,” the officer continues.

www.kare11.com...

Another page showing he was in fact a documented Crips gang member. This link has more on the female and her possible motives.

Link deleted due to possible T&C


iTruthSeeker

And this is how it starts to justify the officers actions. Public vilification of the victim.

This is the problem behind the discourse. This is why people are so upset about these killings. Dig up every negative about the victim, label them a POS on society and then all of a sudden people side with the murderer.

How is complying with the officer and reaching for what was asked by the officer and being shot by the officer REGARDLESS of ANYTHING past present or future justified?

If he informed the officer that he was carrying a weapon that was allegedly legal and the officer failed to take the necessary steps to secure the weapon, but instead opted to shoot him then his death is not justified.

This shoot first and ask questions later has to stop.

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

even if true, still the cop assumed, which was his downfall

a reply to: SgtHamsandwich

He did not inform the officer he had a permit or gun until he was already reaching for his gun that was in the way of his wallet, according to Lavish Diamond at her press conference yesterday.

originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich
And this is how it starts to justify the officers actions. Public vilification of the victim.

This is the problem behind the discourse. This is why people are so upset about these killings. Dig up every negative about the victim, label them a POS on society and then all of a sudden people side with the murderer.

How is complying with the officer and reaching for what was asked by the officer and being shot by the officer REGARDLESS of ANYTHING past present or future justified?

If he informed the officer that he was carrying a weapon that was allegedly legal and the officer failed to take the necessary steps to secure the weapon, but instead opted to shoot him then his death is not justified.

This shoot first and ask questions later has to stop.

You nor I know what happened. Only what his girlfriend told us. I am not witch hunting this dead man, just seeking out what the facts in the case are. If facts make this man look bad then oh well, that is on him.

iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: SgtHamsandwich

He did not inform the officer he had a permit or gun until he was already reaching for his gun that was in the way of his wallet, according to Lavish Diamond at her press conference yesterday.

This is another thing, this girlfriend (who is married) keeps changing her story. It's looking more and more like something did go down that we aren't aware of.


iTruthSeeker

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

if a conservative website is the only one printing the truth, what's wrong with that? If this is true, would that make all of the other media liberal which are lying to the population.

It's a shame how many race batters we have here on ATS.

If this story is true, then all the people that pushed the false racist narrative, have some of the cops bloods on their hands.

originally posted by: thinline
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

if a conservative website is the only one printing the truth, what's wrong with that? If this is true, would that make all of the other media liberal which are lying to the population.

It's a shame how many race batters we have here on ATS.

If this story is true, then all the people that pushed the false racist narrative, have some of the cops bloods on their hands.

Agreed. But whenever I have posted a conservative link in the past, I have been blasted by members that it doesn't count because it is *your choice of words here*


iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: SgtHamsandwich

He did not inform the officer he had a permit or gun until he was already reaching for his gun that was in the way of his wallet, according to Lavish Diamond at her press conference yesterday.

I just looked that up and watched it. She also contradicted herself from the previous video that it was a busted tail light instead of a headlight as stated in the press conference.

He should NEVER have reached for anything until informing the officer of the carry so that is on him, that's CCW 101 there, but a chance to comply would have been better that 5 shots first.

She also stated that the officer seamed agitated upon approaching the window. I have seen this in the past when officers are already anticipating a confrontation they tend to over control the situation and a lot of times they don't allow the person to even get a word in edge wise to inform them of a weapon.

The officer knew he messed up. You could tell it in his voice, that coupled with the alleged officers deleting the video from her personal facebook page.

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich
And this is how it starts to justify the officers actions. Public vilification of the victim.

This is the problem behind the discourse. This is why people are so upset about these killings. Dig up every negative about the victim, label them a POS on society and then all of a sudden people side with the murderer.

How is complying with the officer and reaching for what was asked by the officer and being shot by the officer REGARDLESS of ANYTHING past present or future justified?

If he informed the officer that he was carrying a weapon that was allegedly legal and the officer failed to take the necessary steps to secure the weapon, but instead opted to shoot him then his death is not justified.

This shoot first and ask questions later has to stop.

You nor I know what happened. Only what his girlfriend told us. I am not witch hunting this dead man, just seeking out what the facts in the case are. If facts make this man look bad then oh well, that is on him.

iTruthSeeker

What does any vilification after the fact have to do with what happened in that moment? Did he inform the officer he was gang member? Did he inform the officer he had in fact just left a robbery? No, he was profiled by the officer for having a wide set nose.

He did however inform the officer of his carry permit and weapon. I guess that carries the punishment of death these days.

Theconservativetreehouse has crowd sourced and blown open other cases of this magnitude. They aren't always right, but they most certainly have more credibility and detailed research than most of the mass media. They single handedly exposed the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown fiascos.

If the officer was stopping them because he thought he may have been a suspect in the robbery, it explains the twitchy trigger finger. This seems to be confirmed by the media reports of the scanner. While Castile doesn't appear to be a saint, I don't think he actually was the robber. The facial hair doesn't match the timeline (full beard vs goatee and only a few days in between incidents).

However, it explains why the cop might have been on edge. It also has not been verified that he did in fact have a CCW. I find it hard to believe a guy who habitually drives without license / insurance and claiming Crips membership decides to go legit and get a CCW. Of course, none of this justifies his killing, but it paints a picture as to what might have happened.

Lavish Diamond or whatever her name is certainly isn't going to win any awards for mother of the year.

a reply to: SgtHamsandwich

HE DID NOT INFORM THE OFFICER OF THE GUN UNTIL HE WAS REACHING FOR IT!

CASTILE DID NOT INFORM THE OFFICER OF THE PERMIT, LAVISH DID!

According to Reynolds, she and Castile complied with the order, at which point the officer at the driver’s side window asked Castile for his license and registration.

“My boyfriend carries all his information in a thick wallet in his right side back pocket,” Reynolds said. “As he’s reaching for his back pocket wallet he lets the officer know, ‘Officer, I have a firearm on me.’ I begin to yell, ‘But he’s licensed to carry.’ ” According to Reynolds, the officer started firing shortly after.

www.slate.com...

originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich
And this is how it starts to justify the officers actions. Public vilification of the victim.

This is the problem behind the discourse. This is why people are so upset about these killings. Dig up every negative about the victim, label them a POS on society and then all of a sudden people side with the murderer.

How is complying with the officer and reaching for what was asked by the officer and being shot by the officer REGARDLESS of ANYTHING past present or future justified?

If he informed the officer that he was carrying a weapon that was allegedly legal and the officer failed to take the necessary steps to secure the weapon, but instead opted to shoot him then his death is not justified.

This shoot first and ask questions later has to stop.

You nor I know what happened. Only what his girlfriend told us. I am not witch hunting this dead man, just seeking out what the facts in the case are. If facts make this man look bad then oh well, that is on him.

iTruthSeeker

What does any vilification after the fact have to do with what happened in that moment? Did he inform the officer he was gang member? Did he inform the officer he had in fact just left a robbery? No, he was profiled by the officer for having a wide set nose.

He did however inform the officer of his carry permit and weapon. I guess that carries the punishment of death these days.

This woman has already been caught in lies. I am not vilifying anyone. I just want the truth of what really went down. And how it went down. We cannot go based off of ONLY what this witness said. Remember Dorian, the witness in the Mike Brown case? He lied his butt off and it partly started this whole BLM movment, based off of a lie. *Hands up don't shoot*

According to his girlfriend after the fact, no he did not inform them, at least not when he probably should have. That is what we are trying to find out, what happend.


iTruthSeeker

Regardless if victim was gang member or career criminal or just your average damn Joe IMHO he did not need to die at the hands of officer Barney Fife. The officer's fear of the man in the car , caused the officer to make a rash & idiotic decision. The fear in his voice after the incident sums up the fact in his mind he knew he screwed the pooch and just shot an innocent man. My opinion.

Here is what I think happened...

Cop thinks Castile is the suspect in the local robbery.... this seems to have been confirmed.

Castile is NOT the guy from the robbery and knows nothing about it. HOWEVER, Castile is not a saint and he is "riding dirty". He knows a gun is in the car, they have weed on them (probably smoking it given Lavish's prior videos), and who knows what other violations. Castile thinks he is about to go down over some minor sh*t.

The officer is thinking one thing and Castile is thinking another. The wires are crossed, miscommunication and Castile winds up shot.

To be clear, I AM NOT JUSTIFYING HIS DEATH. Just trying to figure out what happened. In this scenario, the officer is probably going to be held responsible. It is a tragic accident, nothing more.

originally posted by: Edumakated
Here is what I think happened...

Cop thinks Castile is the suspect in the local robbery.... this seems to have been confirmed.

Castile is NOT the guy from the robbery and knows nothing about it. HOWEVER, Castile is not a saint and he is "riding dirty". He knows a gun is in the car, they have weed on them (probably smoking it given Lavish's prior videos), and who knows what other violations. Castile thinks he is about to go down over some minor sh*t.

The officer is thinking one thing and Castile is thinking another. The wires are crossed, miscommunication and Castile winds up shot.

To be clear, I AM NOT JUSTIFYING HIS DEATH. Just trying to figure out what happened. In this scenario, the officer is probably going to be held responsible. It is a tragic accident, nothing more.

Your post seems to be the most accurate, or likely case that I have seen thus far. More time will tell more.


iTruthSeeker

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Supposing these thing are true (what has been mentioned in this thread), there is something that doesn't make sense to me:

If this cop thought this was a suspect in an ARMED robbery that had just occurred, and thought these two people matched the description of the suspects AND with similar plates, why the hell did he approach the vehicle/walk right up to the window? Of all the things I know and have seen about cops in situations like these with a suspected ARMED robber, they would order the suspect out of the car, hands raised.

Doesn't make sense.

No saying it's not true, it just doesn't add up.