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Why Trump or Clinton

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posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 12:15 PM
As we move further into the election year and we learn more and more about the two presiding candidates, why would anyone vote for either? One has proven them self as racist, the other has no problem lying. Both are under investigation by the judicial system for wrong doing. Both are in the back pocket of the wealthy if not already wealthy. We know that neither candidate is ideal and that there are far better individuals who would make a better leader.

However, we have be told (brainwashed) that we can only vote for these two people. If we don't then we are just throwing our vote away. I would like to ask why not vote for the person that makes the best sense? Forget 'party' affiliation and go for who is most qualified. We have been told for so long that we HAVE to vote Democrat or Republican, we actually believe it.

Again, why? Why do we have to follow like mindless sheep? Oh, there are a thousand excuses such as 'that is the way it is' or 'if I don't vote for one, the other might win'. I call BS. Vote for who will best lead the country and not the sham candidates paraded in front of you. Voting off party lines will be a vote against the status quo. It will be a true vote for change. It would be a step in telling our current leaders we have had enough.

I also know that there will never be enough voters to take away power from them Demlican (or Republicat) system we have now. But why not start making a change? Why not have the courage to throw in the dissenting vote and say we want who we feel is best and not who you force on us? Why not get the candidate that has the proven track record and not the one who can spend the most money? Why don't we start voting in our best interest and not in the interest of those already in power? Again, why?

Convince me that doing the same thing again and again is the only way it will work.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 12:30 PM
sometimes you dont vote for the person, but for the ideas that come along with that person.
you may root for a certain sports team, but hate the head coach.
you may like a certain movie because of the moral of the story, but hate the lead actor.

hillary = more of the same. forget the lies and scandals, and think about the premise behind her campaign.
im a woman, so women should vote for me. obama did such a great job, and i will continue with his policies. shes all for planned parenthood and pro choice. shes for expanding immigration and converting illegals into citizens (amnesty).

trump = something different. forget his mouth, his racist overtones, and think about his campaign. hes an outsider who is sick of the same. hes a mans man, a businessman who is only hated because of the feces that spews from his mouth. that aside, his views and policy changes, his want to get rid of obamacare, and to expand the military. his desire to fight terrorism head on, and to half illegal immigration and protect our people.
you can hate the guy, but to me its not about him.

im voting for trump not because i agree with all he says, but because i agree its time to allow a non career politician and his constituates to take over. it wont just be trump, the way its not just obama. we need someone who sees things differently other than special interests, and owing people favors for campaign contributions. maybe if it was jessie ventura, and not the don, it would be different. but i want an outside. i say give him a chance. if he effs up, he effs up.
cant be any worse than what the last 3 presidents were.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 12:39 PM

originally posted by: ObservingTheWorld
We know that neither candidate is ideal and that there are far better individuals who would make a better leader.

But those people didn't get the votes in the primaries, and those running 3rd party have no mass support.

However, we have be told (brainwashed) that we can only vote for these two people.

99% of voters vote for whichever candidate they are told to vote for, whoever they see the most on their light box, and have no intention to figure it out themselves.

The rest of us have to choose between whichever candidates the manipulated masses have given us

Why not get the candidate that has the proven track record and not the one who can spend the most money? Why don't we start voting in our best interest and not in the interest of those already in power? Again, why?

I think if you had a media empire like Fox or CNN, you would do your best to inform people of the best candidates instead of the worst. Unfortunately, you're not in charge of a large media company that can influence opinion and neither am I so our power over this is limited. Now we also find out google is influencing people's opinions via search results. Facebook/twitter/etc all do it too.

I've been non-participating in every election. I've explained to my family why I never voted in a presidential election. Do they listen to the truth? # no! I'm not McFancy Pants on their favorite news network.

We need influence in order to spread the truth, but I don't know how to get that and so, until then, people will be expected to seek the truth themselves or become one of the manipulated

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 12:50 PM
a reply to: nobunaga


Thank you for commenting. I agree we need to look beyond the candidate, but I also can't separate them completely. When they are representing us on the world stage how many allied leaders will trust Hillary now? How many will not respect Trump because of his views (and I agree we need a political change by getting rid of the career politician). Trump or Clinton will become the face of America. And we have seen who they represent themselves to us. Now the question is how will they represent America to the rest of the world?

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 12:56 PM
a reply to: VivreLibre


Thank you for your response. You are spot on. The masses will do what the masses have always done, good or bad. I would also like to ask you would not a dissenting vote be heard more than a non vote? At least then you are speaking up and saying you do not accept 'the way things are'? It is down to good marketing that keeps Coke and Pepsi on top while RC Cola is just as good if not better.

I know it probably not be within my lifetime that Dem's or Rep's are no longer in power, but I can still say I don't accept what hey do.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 01:05 PM
I love the premise...

One has proven themselves to be a racist.

No, one has proven the effect the MSM has on the public when the status quo is challenged.

but yeah the other is a liar.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 01:20 PM
a reply to: ObservingTheWorld

I have decide neither of the main party candidates deserves my vote. I had given a good deal of thought toward the Libertarian candidates this time. But, after watching their convention coverage, I think not.

The only alternatives I can see are to either not vote and, in effect give away a "half vote" to whoever wins, or write-in Bernie Sanders. Yes, I don't figure there will be enough like minded people to put him into office but at least I deprive the others from from the benefit of that one vote.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 01:21 PM
Had an argument with a relative just this morning about this. They told me that I can't throw my vote away on Gary Johnson if it means Trump gets elected.

I said I'm not voting for Trump or Hilary, come what may. At least I can say I voted for the ticket I thought could actually hope to administer good government.

If nothing else, I'm voting for the idea of more parties and more options.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 02:16 PM

originally posted by: ObservingTheWorld
a reply to: VivreLibre

I would also like to ask you would not a dissenting vote be heard more than a non vote?

Possibly. I have vocally supported non-mainstream candidates in the past, but my reasoning always falls on deaf ears so I have at least attempted to vocally oppose the worst candidates recently out of those chosen by the masses.

I may or may not participate in this election because it has appeared important to me recently, more so than previous presidential elections that I have been old enough to vote in (born '87). I found it to be important because I have been assuming that people would start to wake up. I mean,we have Hillary Clinton as the leading Democrat and behind her a communist supporter.. how can this not wake people up? And how did Trump beat some top quality candidates such as Paul or Carson (I know Carson isn't that popular but I would not be disappointed to see him elected) and solely gain votes through negative media exposure and this doesn't wake anyone up?

Well, it just shows that even when it's so easy to find out that the popular candidate is trash, people still vote for them because that's the name they hear the most. So no, I don't think having a dissenting opinion makes a difference unless it is the loudest opinion.

No thinking person can say that Clinton or Trump should go anywhere near the white house, but thinking people don't make up the majority of voters because many thinking people stopped voting when they realized what they were up against. Those thinking people who do vote tend to vote against the worst and most corrupt candidate as their only recourse for not having proper representation in the media.

I do have several hopes for the rest of the year:

1. Clinton/Trump are both removed from their candidacy by loyal Americans in the government due to legal problems.
2. Clinton/Trump magically disappear from existence
3. At least Clinton disappears, because not only is she clearly the worst between the two, but it would be fairly easy for a 3rd party candidate to win against Trump as opposed to a 3rd party candidate winning against the DNC and their propaganda machine.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 03:33 PM
a reply to: savemebarry


Thanks for your time. You understand. Both have proven themselves to be... unsavory. One of them will be our leader, our representative, our face to the world. It will be interesting.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 03:43 PM
a reply to: tinymind


We are on the same page. I will be part of the process. Just not in the way 'they' want. My vote will not alter the outcome of either Trump or Clinton securing the Office of President, it will however show at least one citizen is not content with the way things are now. Now we just need few hundred thousand more of us.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 03:45 PM
dysentry or diahera cant you see its all just practical joke

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 03:49 PM
a reply to: SisterDelirium


Thanks for expressing your views. A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote against Trump and Clinton. There are too many who believe they 'have' to vote Republican or Democrat. Too many who don't realize they are doing what is expected of them despite it not being in their best interest. This should be our country, it should be our government, but we only choose who 'they' tell us we can choose. The voting process has become voting for one puppet or the other, not a real leader. Make your vote stand for who you are.

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 03:51 PM
a reply to: khnum


LOL, exactly. Instead of voting for a disease why not elect the cure?

posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 09:19 PM
a reply to: ObservingTheWorld

Thank you. Yes, we have to get out and show support for other views and parties. Winning would be great, but sending the message that a larger group exists who doesn't feel the need to follow the script is just as important.

We need to stop following the scripts the moneyed interests set up for us to play out.

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