Chemtrails over Amsterdam the Netherlands Juli 6 2016

originally posted by: Lassiecat


Yes I checked it.

It is normal situation. I repeat again, I've observed the skies in Amsterdam for an year and a half. Nothing like this happened back then. And again - I have enough airplanes around me at my current location - again, no phenomenon like this seen at all. That gives me the 2+2 feeling. Very strong and very personal.

I and I will add one more thing. When I firstly heard of chemtrails - I laughed also, because the info was given in unwise manner by unwise sources. Yet I did my dinging, made my mind. My mind is mine, yours is yours. If you fail to see any conspiracies there, good, let it be hoax.

You haven't really checked anything. So are you claiming that all those Dutch Aviation enthusiasts haven't noticed persistent contrails before your "year and a half" timeline. Seriously? Do you even understand the upper air routes around your location?

Go to the following website. Make sure that the "World Hi" tab on the right is selected. To orientate yourself type in EHAM into the "Flight Plan" box on the left and click "Go". EHAM is the International Civil Aviation Organization code for Amsterdam Schiphol.

skyvector.com...

Now also be aware as to just how far away that you can see contrails. This is a common misunderstanding amongst chemtrail believers.

contrailscience.com...

Another common misunderstanding is how contrail grids form.

contrailscience.com...

Where were you back in 2011 when this person was recording what he is claiming to be "chemtrails"?

9th February 2011



Where were you in 2009?

1st Dec 2009



Utrecht approximately 20 miles to the south of you during 2006

Here is a "Trail" time-lapse video I did some years ago where the "effect" is much more clearly visible !



The visual effect is awful and creates this horrible tainted sky compared to what could have been a clear blue sky, in this particular video.
The dramatic effect on these particular days is what started to make me feel worried.

I like to state extra clear for all the expert pro and con sides of this debate that one of my main points in making this video was to provide an accurate location and time stamp to this 1 hour and 40 minute visual sample
This to give any 'expert" the opportunity to use this data to compare it with flight plans and weather data, If any one would care of course.

a reply to: tommyjo

Some dramatic visual effects in the videos you posted !
I live in Amsterdam and can state that we can see these type of at least visually polluted skies quite some times per year.

a reply to: jaamaan

Don't ask me, i've no idea what they put in those chemtrails

a reply to: McGinty

You look like you might know

But who knows, looks can be deceiving.

originally posted by: jaamaan

Taken into respect all "debunkers" arguments, it does not take away my worry when looking at many days in summer with skies like this !

a reply to: jaamaan

The only thing contrails are proven to have done is affect the diurnal temperature. Which you would expect with them turning into cloud cover. They have the same effect on temperature as a cloudy day would have.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: jaamaan

The only thing contrails are proven to have done is affect the diurnal temperature. Which you would expect with them turning into cloud cover. They have the same effect on temperature as a cloudy day would have.

Yep, they seem to ruin a certain % of sunlight from me every summer at least.

a reply to: jaamaan
Al gore and all the Other climate people flying to their summits !

a reply to: jaamaan

After 9/11 they found a 5-6 degree temperature difference on days with heavy contrail coverage. They measured the temperature in areas with heavy coverage to similar areas that didn't have any coverage.

Can we have Phage to please give a final thorough blow on this one so we can close it down

originally posted by: jaamaan
Can we have Phage to please give a final thorough blow on this one so we can close it down

Pun intended, but with respect.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Lassiecat

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Lassiecat



I have 28 years of experience actually working on aircraft, and not one aircraft I've ever heard of was capable of carrying nearly enough of anything to leave trails hundreds of miles long.

So you can't remake few hundreds old boing to carry a reseovair instead of passangers? Just a wild guess, really forgot what a smarter person than me had replid to such a acussations before... (and there was some)

Are you going to address the maths showing how little even a 747 can hold?

He was obviously thinking of the Boeing 247, not the 747. The 247 could have the Pratt & Whitney 550 hp engines could be replaced by magical 1500 unicornpower engines, raising the max gross weight, in the minds of the chemmies, from 13,650 pounds to 6 million pounds. Of course the chemmies ignore the fact that the heaviest aircraft ever to fly, the Antanov 225, weighs in at a mere 1,410,958 lbs. Facts are irrelevant to them. Having to use facts might require some self-education. I mean, how much can he know about Boeings if he can't even spell the name?

originally posted by: jaamaan
a reply to: Zaphod58


I'd love to see a debate come to a point where the opposing sides switch places and see what valid points they can bring up from that perspective

Respect Jaamaan

OK lets give that a try

Those persistent and spreading trails we see in the skies are chemical trails
Some claim that they are contrails but I know that cannot be true since it is not possible for contrails to persist and spread due to reasons

These same people will also claim that these trails are nothing new in the sky and present historical records, videos, photographs, scientific research and anecdotal reports to support this.
Obviously I know that these are either faked or the trails were the result of early experiments in other parts of the world since I positively don't remember them growing up.

Also they're paid by someone to lie about all of this so I can just dismiss anything they say


How did I do?

a reply to: jaamaan

They sure can, Iron Man

a reply to: jaamaan

I have a feeling that won't happen as you seem dead set on what you saw and filmed were chemtrails.

This thread has gone ten pages with more than enough to show you that those aren't chemtrails, but you still drag it on...at this point I don't think anyone will convince you enough to close it down.

I will never understand why chemtrail believers are scared of clouds...because that is what you are seeing...man made clouds.

originally posted by: jaamaan
Can we have Phage to please give a final thorough blow on this one so we can close it down

lol.. why are you replying to your own posts? That's a bit odd

Anyway.. so did you go and learn anything about contrails, how they form and behave under which circumstances?

You see, if you truly want to get to the heart of this matter, that's what you should start with, as contrails are the 'null hypothesis' for what you're seeing.

I live in the Netherlands too (Delft), and I've seen these skies too. The difference is: I'm not worried that some illuminati group or aliens or whatever are spraying us with god knows what as I'm familiar with contrails. I've seen them my entire life (say the early seventies), and while they have grown in number, they still look the same to me. I didn't need the advise from the chemtrail crowd to 'look up', because I've been looking up my entire life, being that I'm a bit of a propellerhead.

But these days most people are unfamiliar with what happens over their head. They're phone-junkies or just kinda stare to the ground in front of them or ahead, but hardly ever wonder about what's going on up there, so in order to get them to notice anything up there, they do need the 'look up' suggestion.. and when they do, they might be in for a surprise indeed.

Too bad that most people know close to zilch about aviation or weather. They've never heard of air routes, traffic patterns, have no idea at which altitude planes fly, and never mind the types of clouds one finds at different altitudes.

This situation, together with the whole climate of government distrust (partially justifiably so) and paranoia towards anything people don't understand is a fertile ground for the chemtrail hoax to take hold.

So maybe you should arm yourself against the parasites who benefit from your fear. The chemtrail crowd will turn on you like leaf on a tree as soon as you show doubt about chetrails, or as soon as you start asking real questions which may imply that those 'chemtrails' are just contrails after all. You'll be called a paid shill, a traitor, trash, and they'd like to try and kill you. I've seen all those expressions, mostly in youtube comments.

Anyway all this to encourage you to look at both sides. have a thorough look at what science tells you what this is, then have a look at the chemtrail side, and see which one holds up to any kind of scrutiny.

Good luck

originally posted by: jaamaan
a reply to: tommyjo

Some dramatic visual effects in the videos you posted !
I live in Amsterdam and can state that we can see these type of at least visually polluted skies quite some times per year.

And you will continue to do so for as long as you live. Nothing is going to change except that those upper air routes are going to get busier. The question is when is it going to sink in to your head? In 10 years time will you still be wondering why the "spraying" hasn't stopped? Will you still be uploading to the likes of You Tube and watching other "Chemtrail videos" and wondering why despite all that "evidence" that nothing has changed?