Why won't you vote for Trump even after Comey's speech?

a reply to: nobunaga

if you hate trump, despise trump, wont be voting for him... i want to know why.

They've been told to despise him, plain and simple. The argument is usually "he said some things", all of which was derived from sensationalist headlines.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

again augustus... you dotn ahve a choice. you can choose not to vote, or to vote for someone else.
but YOU have no choice that either HRC or trump will be president. one of them will... and you can choose not to support either.

and the if you cant beat em join em is referring to trump and bernie
they both knew they couldnt win running as independents - so they ran as democrat and republican.
if you can beat the dems or GOP then you join em

originally posted by: nobunaga
why not try something outside the box?

There is nothing 'out of the box' with Trump. He is a bloviating, self-promoting jackass whose authoritarian intentions run counter to the Constitution.

if not now, if not trump, then when and who?

Gary Johnson. But I would rather have a pile of cinderblocks than Trump's vision of America.

originally posted by: nobunaga
a reply to: tothetenthpower

mexicans are the majority of illegals in this country. most illegals come from mexico, but arent mexicans. chinese, central americans, koreans, polish, arab, iraniain, isis... they are coming over the border from mexico.
oh and by the way... here is the pamphlet that was handed out to people seeking employment in the us from mexico

web.archive.org...://www.sre.gob.mx/tramites/consulares/guiamigrante/default.htm

As we noted at the time, the Guide, while focusing surviving the invasion through the desert processs without getting killed or arrested, also included four pages “devoted to how to live in the United States undetected.”

Have you asked yourself what does Trump really know about illegal immigration? Gary Johnson was a two-termed republican governor of New Mexico. He has nothing nice to say about Trumps immigration ideas. Personally, I think someone who has legitimately handled this issue personally and politically, may well have more of a clue. How about you?

Doesn't he want to deport 10 million people?

Secure the border from here on out. But you already didn't secure it in the past and need to just eat the cost. We're not deporting 10 million people without ripping apart tens of millions of families and entire cities like Los Angeles and entire states like New Mexico. I hate to bring up Hitler but that's Nazi-level evil.

Those people shouldn't be here but if you didn't want them here, you should have secured the border 50 years ago.

Cause trump is a jerk, an average business man at best, arrogant, a Wall street/corporate insider, doesn't believe in Climate Change Science, unethical at best, He's Clinton Light.

i can't vote for him.

I'm voting either Green or Libertarian.

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: nobunaga

if you hate trump, despise trump, wont be voting for him... i want to know why.

They've been told to despise him, plain and simple. The argument is usually "he said some things", all of which was derived from sensationalist headlines.

Yes, they've been told.

They have no minds of their own.

They who walk among the rows.

Eyeroll.

Get a fckn grip.

originally posted by: nobunaga
again augustus... you dotn ahve a choice.

I most certainly DO have a choice not to vote for either of them and if more people ditched the two party paradigm we would be better off.

they both knew they couldnt win running as independents - so they ran as democrat and republican.
if you can beat the dems or GOP then you join em

How did they work out for Bernie? How is that going to work out for Trump? The 'if you cannot beat them, join them' axiom will fail them just as much as any of their supporters. You 'beat them' by beating them. You smash their goddamn effing heads into a wall and win.

a reply to: CynConcepts

gary johnsons testes are tiny. thats the problem. he doesnt have the mentality to address the major concerns in our country.
although johnson is my second pick.... nobody put money on the raiders to win the superbowl.

originally posted by: nobunaga
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

again augustus... you dotn ahve a choice. you can choose not to vote, or to vote for someone else.
but YOU have no choice that either HRC or trump will be president. one of them will... and you can choose not to support either.

and the if you cant beat em join em is referring to trump and bernie
they both knew they couldnt win running as independents - so they ran as democrat and republican.
if you can beat the dems or GOP then you join em

You are getting there. Yes it is rigged! Hillary will be Potus this year. So why waste your vote for one of the 2 federally funded parties? Make a difference and vote third party and attempt to create a real change in our 2020 election! Else wise, the establishment will just select your next party again for you.

Trump is our best hope for the future of our country.
I truly believe that he can fix many of the things that have been going wrong for decades.
He is real.
I could go on - later, when I have more time, but I have said it on these forums over and over.
I think this country NEEDS Trump.

And evil, corrupt Hillary will be the beginning of the end if she gets in, so there's that.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: awareness10

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: awareness10

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: nobunaga

The reason I'm not voting for Trump is that his followers like you think that by insulting ATS members; it will win converts to Trumps ideology.

Can you see the disconnect there. It's just to much like a cult and that disturbs me.

So you're not voting for Trump because of a few people you don't like?

I don't trust members of cults. They have forgone logic in place of hero worship. Cult leaders know exactly what they are doing and to me that is despicable manipulation. That's Donald Trump....

I wrote my dissertation for cultural anthro on Cults and their members. Sorry I can't trust you to make a rational decision.

I see, that what you're observing as cult like towards Trump, is what they see the Hillary Crowd as being also.
Could it be there is a bias here on your part?

The entire Govt of American insiders are Cult like. They're also bred to run in this department and often times of the same Blood lines? keep it in the family kinda thing. Changing Policies, Policing the Planet, that sort of thing. Don't you think that is rather Cultish Behaviour?

And i wont be voting for anyone, Im not American.

One of the curious things about cult members is that they can be rational in many ways but are totally oblivious to being manipulated by their object of devotion.

btw....I don't trust Clinton or most politicians. They are either manipulators or being manipulated.

I understand, can you give an example of how a cult member might behave, and why you think so?

I think this is a hot button issue for many and may come across that way to you, at times. I don't believe there is a cult happening here though, but rather, an awakening from one's slumber from those who have had enough of the way things have been run into the ground continuously. Granted, some are a bit half in half out still. Fence sitters if you will.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

you dont have a choice.

in november hillary or trump will be your next president. you yourself will not determine this election. and when trump or hillary wins, you have no say, no choice in the matter...

originally posted by: nobunaga
a reply to: CynConcepts

gary johnsons testes are tiny. thats the problem. he doesnt have the mentality to address the major concerns in our country.
although johnson is my second pick.... nobody put money on the raiders to win the superbowl.

Seriously? Johnson may not look it or speak it, but his history personally and professionally shows his balls are HUGE! He just doesn't need to brag as much as some because he has a record of proof!

originally posted by: nobunaga
you dont have a choice.

My choice is not to vote for either, what all the other ding dongs do is their problem.

...and when trump or hillary wins, you have no say, no choice in the matter...

Good, because I would not want to be associated with either one of those assholes.

a reply to: CynConcepts

i voted for trump in the primaries. they tried rigging it for cruz... and somehow trump won.
he wasnt supposed to win, they tried fixing it so he didnt, they tried smearing him and using his own words as ammo. yet he prevailed. and they are still pissed... they are still gonna try and get someone else as the nominee at teh convention...trump is not establishment.
if theres a chance we can get a non career politician in office, then im all for it.

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: nobunaga

if you hate trump, despise trump, wont be voting for him... i want to know why.

They've been told to despise him, plain and simple. The argument is usually "he said some things", all of which was derived from sensationalist headlines.

I have been listening to Trump since he declared his candidacy. I base my decision on his stupid rants.

originally posted by: nobunaga
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

you dont have a choice.

in november hillary or trump will be your next president. you yourself will not determine this election. and when trump or hillary wins, you have no say, no choice in the matter...

I'd rather lose than be on the winning side of either of those choices.

And when one of them wins -- they are simply inaugurated. No one will have any say or choice in the matter, after November.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Yes, they've been told.

They have no minds of their own.

They who walk among the rows.

Eyeroll.

Get a fckn grip.

Have you watched Trump's speeches? If not, where do you get your info from?

a reply to: olaru12

I have been listening to Trump since he declared his candidacy. I base my decision on his stupid rants.

Do you listen to his speeches? Or are you speaking about the chopped and edited speeches served up for you? If it is the former, then I commend you.