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originally posted by: Wombocracy
a reply to: NOTurTypical
You usually don't see anything the right way, imo.
And Peter did. It's not a big deal, Peter was restored to discipleship when Christ resurrected from the dead 3 days later.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: Wombocracy
a reply to: NOTurTypical
You usually don't see anything the right way, imo.
I follow Biblical Hemaneutics to understand the text, that means you follow what the writer meant when he penned the words. So therefore I reject eisegesis and use exegesis. In Luke where is says he wept bitterly the Greek word translated at bitterly is "Pikos", and that means "poignant grief".
He was sad to the point of being ill, and Jesus didn't order Peter to deny Him, He just had foreknowledge of the future. Jesus was not just a priest, not just a King, but also a prophet. So as I said, when Peter said he would die for Jesus He turned to him and said.. "you'll actually deny me three times tonight before the cock crows."
And Peter did. It's not a big deal, Peter was restored to discipleship when Christ resurrected from the dead 3 days later.
He is every bit the Rock Christ said he was.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Wombocracy
this theory seems reminiscent of the gospel of Judas...
Just sayin...
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Wombocracy
no not really...
in the gospel of Judas you find Jesus actually telling Judas to sell him out...
Peter wasn't ever told to be unfaithful...
he was afraid of suffering the same fate as the man that we're speaking of
Who wouldn't honestly...
originally posted by: Wombocracy
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Yes and when the women at the empty grave were told to go and tell the apostles "and Peter" that He had rose from the dead . Peter must have needed that extra encouragement for them to be told to tell him specifically .
This might just be me, but I think Jesus said it that way because Peter wasn't restored to discipleship until he told Jesus he loved Him three times.
I would love to see proof of this. Do you have proof? Peter never lost rank, sorry.
Judas doesn't betray Christ (all signs say he was going to back out). Then what?
I will tell you. God becomes a failure and his plan thwarted.
You can imagine the way that would turn out.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Wombocracy
You're twisting scripture.
Jesus said the gate was straight and narrow is THE WAY to the Father.
Jesus is the narrow way, meaning He is the only way there is to the Father.
"Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life.."
Which is what Jesus also confirms when He said
"I am the way , the truth, and the life, no man cometh to the Father except THROUGH me.."
He is the gate, He is the way.
originally posted by: Wombocracy
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Wombocracy
Peter wasn't full of joy, he wept bitterly. He was devastated, weeping, which is remorse to the point of being ill.
You have to be the absolute worst person when it comes to understanding Biblical matters.
You have the most simple comprehension of everything and can't think outside the box for a minute.
Basically you are boring and almost always wrong.
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Wombocracy
Judas doesn't betray Christ (all signs say he was going to back out). Then what?
I will tell you. God becomes a failure and his plan thwarted.
You can imagine the way that would turn out.
I actually like that theory in the gospel of Judas... puts a positive spin on Judas
He was the money keeper of the group apparently... makes you wonder why 32 silver would be enough to deny the Son of God...
But i will tell you...
God does not become a failure because of Man, or his silly prophecies...