Is Francis the last Pope? A rare interview with Archbishop Ganswein

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

The thing with prophecy is that it's not clear and not supposed to be until after the fact. What good would it be if we knew in advance exactly what was going to happen and when? Study anything on prophecy anywhere and you know they are only the vaguest of hints at best.

originally posted by: markosity1973
They are of course referring to the infamous Malachy prophecy.

The list ends about now. The last Pope us supposed to be Petrus Romanus and will oversee the collapse of the church in a dramatic way.

Indeed, and Francis being Latin American and how he intended to live in a common residence in Rome outside the Vatican and how he could be seen strolling on his own through the streets of Rome.

Can't really see it happening myself. The rot set in way back at Vatican 2 and the sex scandals / financial corruption has been there for generations. It's more of a slow decline into madness.

The rot is as old as the Church itself. Finally we see a pope of the people.

**EDIT** IF this is true, look for an Islamic attack (ISIS anyone?) on the Vatican and the Pope fleeing Rome for his life.

Islamic? Why? Revelation clearly shows the Beast is secular Christianity, the kingdoms and empires of Europe. Will Rome burn once again? Will EU collapse in on itself and leave the world in unrest and a state of war? The war in Heaven? Europa running into Moab. Dragon waters the desert and turns Moab into a green garden. After Brexit UK could remain within the EEA together with Norway, Iceland and Switzerland. That could account for the four stars that descend to Earth together with the dragon. We're talking about four of the most amazing economies in the world. The mere handfull million people living in Norway own more than 1% of all stocks in the world, and the amounts of gold stored underneath Manhattan and at Fort Knox in Norway's account is staggering. Switzerland nearly have gold plated streets. Iceland recovered from the bank crisis incredibly fast, and took charge against the guilty bankers and other responsible people, and tossed them into jail. Now, what act of genius will UK do to compensate for Brexit? Time will show, they seem to house all the bankers that are not in Switzerland or Wall Street. What would Jesus do?

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim

originally posted by: markosity1973
They are of course referring to the infamous Malachy prophecy.

The list ends about now. The last Pope us supposed to be Petrus Romanus and will oversee the collapse of the church in a dramatic way.

Islamic? Why? Revelation clearly shows the Beast is secular Christianity, the kingdoms and empires of Europe. Will Rome burn once again? Will EU collapse in on itself and leave the world in unrest and a state of war? The war in Heaven? Europa running into Moab. Dragon waters the desert and turns Moab into a green garden. After Brexit UK could remain within the EEA together with Norway, Iceland and Switzerland.

That is not shown in the Revelation, neither explicitly nor indirectly. It is interpretation only that has appeared in decades not centuries. Apostate Christianity we have since the beginning, and who is to say which Christianity is apostate. You say about the Roman pope, or he says about someone, or what? The idea that the West must bear the negativity because historically it advanced most, may seem logical to many today, but anyway it is not found in the Revelation or in Daniel, or in Isaiah, or in Ezekiel. Rather they talk in different terms. Daniel and Ezekiel talking of the king of the North (north of Jerusalem could be anything geographically), Isaiah talking of the Assyrian, and so on.

Bible scholars like Chuck Missler give another interpretation of the revived Roman empire, taking into account that most of the old Roman empire does not match with today's EU, and proving the Eastern Roman Empire as good as or better candidate than the Western Roman Empire for the rising of the beast. All is upon your interpretation some 1900 years after writing the Apocalypse. In those 1900 years quite many changes have occurred and people periodically believed different possibilities of materialization the image of the beast. Caliphate being one very vital option for many more centuries than the time of existing of modern Europe.

Tomorrow we may have something else not imagined today. Let not forget that EU exists only for some 50-70 years that is a blink of an eye in historical perspective. As we see, as you noticed well, EU is not eternal and prone to processes of decay. If that continues, that will also negate the idea that the EU is the revived Roman empire of Daniel. Of course, only the reality can prove or dismiss a theory, not the vice versus. I am curious how the world will look like after another 50 years, and much more curious how the current apparent deadlock will resolve. Somehow it should. Be it with the next mega war, as it seems everything is already staged for it. Or be it in a way we do not imagine right now because we do not have the examples or precedents of what is to come. I could say more, and I said more in other threads, but I don't want to deviate the topic of this thread.

About the last pope, again, we cannot be sure whether the next Petrus would sit in Rome at all. It is not a dogma. It is not mandate of Jesus Christ to sit in Rome. It has been a decision of Peter and his followers not a command by the Lord. Tomorrow, they may choose another place to continue their mandate, especially in case the aggressive Islam destroys partly that ancient city. Let remember what was the mandate of Jesus before Ascension: go to the entire WORLD, or in Greek: Cosmos (Mark 16)

a reply to: 2012newstart

There are countless notes in countless Bibles explaining how the Hydra-headed beast is Rome with its seven or rather eight hills. For instance the 1599 Geneva reveals the identity of Babylon the harlot as Rome in the notes of Re 17:4; lit. «That harlot, the spiritual Babylon, which is Rome»

Below you can see how Roma is coded into the text of the Apocalypse.


Go here for information on how the code works.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I don't say there aren't clues. But those all are interpretations of the Revelation. Is Rome the harlot, or head of beast for example? Rome is not the seat of the EU either. There is too much uncertainty to declare something as 100% true. People did it all those centuries since the Revelation was written. And they thought always they could not be wrong, it could not be any worse, the sin could not be any bigger, etc. The first 5 centuries there was Roman empire although Christian after 4th century. Under some variance it continues under Eastern emperors even after Odoaker (Theodosius ruling from Milan, who being Christian killed thousands of Greek Christians, and burnt the Alexandria library).
""Saint Ambrose forces Emperor Theodosius I to make penance for the Thessaloniki massacre" (1603), left-side nave, Saint Ambrose Altar, Milan Cathedral/" en.wikipedia.org...
Julian the Apostate en.wikipedia.org...(emperor) could be the best example of antichrist.
It was quite easy to look for a fallen away emperor. You had the Roman empire still intact, no need of any revived Rome! History proved it all wrong.

Moreover, Jesus didn't talk of one only antichrist but of many false christs. It is strange Jesus did not address the issue himself, with the mark etc. Actually it is not strange, if we keep in mind all the books of the Gospels including revelation are put into (found) papirii no earlier than the end of 2nd century - 3 rd century.

As I pointed out, Chuck Missler has brilliant analysis (that doesn't have to be 100% either) that proves the Eastern Roman empire outlived the Western with some 1000 years, and that the antichrist could be expected to rise from the Eastern provinces today Middle East, with Assyria being the best candidate. If we look at the Muslim eschatology, that is not too far from their point of view either.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Most Jews alive today are Muslim, if you consider the fact that just about all of the Kingdom of Israel's 10 tribes remained or settled in Assyria and Media for good. That area is mostly Syria and its surrounding countries today. What if I told you there are more Israelites living in Syria today than in the modern Nation of Israel. If we took DNA tests on all Syrians we could account for all the «ten missing tribes», the fact that most of them are (at least culturally) Muslims today, is rather ironic, don't you think?



«In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria captured Samaria, and he carried the Israelites away to Assyria and placed them in Halah, and on the Habor, the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes.» [ESV] 2 Kings 17:6

And.....

«In that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance.” [ESV] Isaiah 19:24-25

a reply to: 2012newstart

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I understand how some honest believers seeing the sin in the Western societies, explain the things with the West being the heads of beast or the harlot. Hpwever they make a mistake to underestimate the non-Western civilizations as potent enough to make the rise of the antichrist. History would help seeing all those historical maps with the Caliphate much bigger than the remains of the Roman empire (Byzantium) and then the Western Christendom. Let also not forget the Caliphate ruled over Iberia peninsula (today Spain and Portugal) for some 600 years.

Since colonialism we cannot anymore believe of a potent enough Islamic state to be a danger for the nuclear armed West. Instead, Russia and China are portrayed as such. But we have to keep in mind history knows changes. Our 20-21 century is not the only period in history. Now we already have the first Islamic state Pakistan with a hundred nuclear weapons. The danger of leaking some of them to militant organizations including IS is too big to be underestimated. We witness the unprecedented wave of migration in millions, with proven traces of members of Daesh and other militant groups already residing in the EU as part of that migration stream. The pope compared the refuge seeking poor families to the conquests of the nations of old, however the proportions are quite bigger. Never ever in history there were MILLIONS migrant flows who try to turn Germany and Italy into Muslim countries, not to accept Christianity as it were in the early centuries invasions.

We have to know Muslim eschatology, no matter how much we disagree with it. Dabiq, insignificant village in Northern Syria, appears to be for them what is for us Armageddon. The place of the final battle for them between the armies of "Rome" and their armies, in which they expect after heavenly intervention to be granted ultimate victory. IS took over Dabiq in 2015, I don't know if it is still in their control. en.wikipedia.org... en.wikipedia.org...
One may say, but that is all nonsense. Well, yes, believed by a billion and a half people who are ready to die for that nonsense. Let not miscalculate the danger of the clash between civilizations, as St John Paul II predicted, the way the Byzantium Christian kingdom underestimated the danger of Arabs and Ottomans at the time it engaged in wars between Christian kingdoms, including the invasion of the 4th Crusade to Constantinople, not to the Holy Land. Centuries and enormous human and material resources were spent for fight between Western and Eastern Christianity, not to count the spiritual loses of such fight. The result, the Ottomans reached Vienna and Lepanto, only a step away to take Rome. Although the following centuries proved the Ottoman empire could be a powerful ally of the Western colonial states, the danger of the militant Islam is out there. You need to visit only one Muslim city as tourist for a week, to understand the powers of spiritual character we are talking about. If they were to be employed full scale towards what we know as Christian civilization, the outcome may indeed be a destroyed Rome and end of papacy the way we know it. Not the end of Christianity or Catholic Church that is spread to all continents. The Christianity lost its vitality in the last century and is more a museum relic than a lived religion. It is not so with the Muslim religion, that knows both ups and downs, both peace and war doctrines (as it were with Christianity during the crusades).

Of course I hope the reason will prevail, as some leading clerics of Muslim world show readiness for dialogue and recently met with pope Francis.

To end with something optimistic. We have to transcend the current historic moment and the idea the antichrist MUST be here and now. Even if the next pope is not called pope and not residing in Rome, we have to see it as a process that leads the Church (all of them) beyond a certain historic moment of downfall. And, it is better if we start contemplating the last words of Jesus that I quoted in previous post. That God's world is bigger than our limited view of it, that stretched to Americas and Indias but is still quite limited in scope. We may never convert all Muslims and Buddhists to Christianity and it may not be required by God as well (after all everyone has a free will). Still, we should seek after the big picture that goes beyond the current stalemate, even beyond earth.

The other option is nuclear war, no matter if it is started by the Pakistani sponsored terrorists , by insane North Korea, or someone else. It is the end not only of the Christian but also of the Human civilization. Unfortunately there are those who call themselves Christians who long for Armageddon and push for it by all means. Believing they will achieve their verse of God's kingdom thru it. What is the difference with the militant Islam then? Only the names are changed. I believe that won't be the ultimate victory though. As of the Second Coming, Jesus cannot be more precise: not even the Son knows but only the Father. He may come tomorrow, defeating the current antichrists, but also he may come after 2000 years. If nobody knows that means nobody knows. We cannot stand and wait passively as some artificial armageddon unfolds, and say "God will save us". If that was the case, he would send us angels.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Every empire its own beast. Take the Pentagon Building for instance, a magnificent piece of architecture that'll possibly outlive the Pyramids. It's built as an extruded pentagon, the symbol of the Morning Star. Horn and Corner is basically the same word (uni-corn, capri-corn). Pentagon has 10 corners/horns pointing outwards, and in the center of the pentagon, there is an inverted such extruded pentagon where you find what's probably the safest and most oddly peaceful park in the world, surrounded by yet another 10 corners/horns.

Looking for its seven heads?
— No Problem, the 7 members of The Joint Chiefs of Staff
Ten regions?
— In a state of emergency FEMA might hand over the power of their 10 FEMA regions (scroll down to where it says Regional Offices) -- to Pentagon, by using procedures already agreed upon, so it could be done in anything from minutes to hours until the whole of USA is under martial law and military control, all armed and ready to mark down or hijack and turn round North Korean nukes or whatever. Or what if the Yellowstone caldera suddenly went hyperthermal?

These world powers all have their horns and heads. Harald R, as we call him over here, the king of Norway, is likely a direct descendant of Jesus. The first Harald in the row of 5, was Harald Fairhair and possibly a descendant of the Merovingian dynasty who claimed descendence to Jesus and Rosemary. Ironically /haral/ in Hebrew means «Uncircumcised.»

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
Harald R, as we call him over here, the king of Norway, is likely a direct descendant of Jesus.

likely?

That's a pretty bold claim.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Any European royal would be related to Jesus when we take into accourd the Merovinian Grail Myth

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I don't think the issue of the married Jesus should be tied up with a new rise of kings who would pretend to be descendants. After all, they pretended to be God-anointed ones anyway for all those centuries. Whether true or not, that should not be most important issue of the hidden gospels.

Rather, the hidden Gospels should accent on the off-world component of the creation, on the obvious fact by now that God created more worlds not only one. Strange how religious sources painstakingly continue heated debate on morality, politics etc and leave in a limbo the problem of stars and angels painted directly onto the arks of older churches. Perhaps the fear of losing monopoly of power should God created even one more world than the earth is so big in the religious circles that they deny even a remote discussion on the matter. By now, decades after the Cold War and centuries after Galileo, we should have had a clear cut position of the main churches to pacify the created universe with the theological models of heaven-earth-purgatory-hell.

Those two issues, imo the biggest ones hidden in the secret gospels, are actually interconnected. It would be strange if Jesus wouldn't have had descendants, but elsewhere outside earth. Why should he leave them down here in a planet that just killed the son of God? If you were in his position, would you leave your son or daughter on this planet, set for the fire of the last days, as the books talk of? Even if they were to be kings. I doubt it. I'd rather believe Jesus' dynasty rules over some distant stars worlds that could be called "the earth where righteousness dwells" expected by Peter, the "land of the living" as David sang about.

Is Francis the last pope.

Seems unlikely, since the Roman Catholic church shows no signs of leaving any time soon, and he won't live forever. Combine those two, and the answer seems fairly clear. Barring, of course, an unforeseen end of the world scenario.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Love and marriage should be the center of any gospel, hidden or otherwise. You cannot be a teacher in the Torah and not be married. It is one of the first mitzvot. The first is that we may eat whatever we like or just about, though the best is to stick to fruit, vegetables and grains.

originally posted by: seagull
Barring, of course, an unforeseen end of the world scenario.

that is the question. What is it they know of and we don't. Why should the French minister tell the world from the White House some 2 years ago, "we have 500 days more to avert "climate chaos".

The next terrorist attack in France, my deep condolence, come to show us everything is possible including in Rome, as the jihadists announced, as CIA warned Vatican. The pope may be ready to sacrifice himself, but the one billion catholics are not ready or willing to do so. He might consider going into the third world, in order to spare Rome and Catholicism and to sacrifice only himself thru the hands of jihadists, if he and his closest aides believe Malachi must be fulfilled. I do not accept the position of some catholic circles, that the catholic (or universal) church is destined to be crucified after the example of Jesus. Jesus died once for all so we can live, say the gospel texts and the epistles.