UK Votes to Leave EU

Just to add; It was a ruse from the outset - Boris Johnson was convinced to 'lead' the OUT campaign but it was never in the script that the OUT vote would succeed.
The plan was for Remain to win and six months or so down the line Cameron resigns - he'd already stated he wasn't going to seek another term in office - and Boris is seen as the only person capable of uniting the split Conservative Party.

At the same time Corbyn's invisibility and ineffectual leadership make him unelectable and Labour fights amongst itself until a new, more 'personable' leader is elected.

The last bit may indeed be getting played out as planned, lets wait and see.

Personally I only see two political figures coming out of this with any sort of credibility intact - Hilary Benn and Michael Gove.

The important thing is that we NEED some strong and clear leadership NOW, and it is sadly missing.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Soloprotocol



Instead you ignored people and patronised them while brussels dithered and stalled.

Sorry, didn't realise i was in charge...if you give me until Tuesday i'll come up with plan z.

Failed to acknowledge a problem.? No, I know there is a problem and i know who is responsible for the problem...Read my post again.

Just to clarify things. I was not in any camp, especially with anything that Cambridge Oxford and Eton #s out. I made my decision because it didn't want the xenophobic fascists to win.

Except labour did fail to plan for the population growth and the torys not only continued that but also cut.

Unless you can invent a time machine then we are stuck in a situation of too many people and not enough low income houseing and public services.

No the immigrants are not to blame.

But it still doesn't change the fact we have too many people and not enough resources.

Which means we need to build new schools, hospitals and homes.

But they dont pop up overnight. They take years to plan and build.

But its not fair in the mean time on the british people or the immigrants to take more in than we can house, educate and medically cope with.

In 45 the UK had # all. I mean Nothing. No Money, No housing, No NHS, No Welfare system and we owed the US and others money that would not be payed off for 60+ years....in that time we built hospitals, Schools. houses, had a welfare system that was the envy of the world, Built an NHS that was the envy of the world. wtf happened.?

How did we manage to do all that with nothing. Not a pot to piss in, when now, building one #ing school is beyond us without paying a private contractor to build and maintain it for decades at huge costs to the tax payer. Someone needs shot...in the face.

Good point, though you forgot about the Marshall Plan money. That's what built the NHS etc. Or at least made it feasible.

a reply to: Freeborn

Gisella Stewart too.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Again, sentiments I share entirely with you.

What happened was the elites resented all the things you mention.

That sense of togetherness that was forged in the war and remained afterwards led both the Tories and Labour uniting in some sort of common vision.
The ordinary, working people were not going to accept what had preceded the war and there was a general consensus that the NHS, nationalising utilities etc, welfare system, pensions, improved schooling were all beneficial and in some cases a right.

That all got lost in Thatcher's drive and obsession with profit.
Now everything has to be for profit - even the NHS which by its very nature can never run at a profit.

Privatisation and selling off the 'family silver' to make a quick buck became the norm - everything for a profit.

And the majority have become so dumbed down that they can't see any alternative to this obsession with profit.
Its just the accepted way of things.

In or out of the EU is largely irrelevant unless we can buck this trend.....alas I don't hold out much hope....but maybe, just maybe, this might be the start of things?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Double post?

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: Freeborn


Now the arse has fallen out of oil.. they need the EU.

Jesus H christ..I've just spent hours talking about press manipulation and you come out with more media spun bollocks...

Go Check Oil and Gas forecast for the North sea..Please. I beg you. The arse has not fallen out of Oil. It's on hold because of the prices and rising cost to extract it.

There is a estimated 24 Billion Barrels still to be extracted ..Considering we have only extracted 43 billion barrels since it's discovery 40 years ago we have at least another 20+ years. Please use the internet. it's what it's there for. Here let me help you.

No rth sea oil and gas production to reverse 15 year decline

originally posted by: Freeborn


The important thing is that we NEED some strong and clear leadership NOW, and it is sadly missing.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Soloprotocol



Instead you ignored people and patronised them while brussels dithered and stalled.

Sorry, didn't realise i was in charge...if you give me until Tuesday i'll come up with plan z.

Failed to acknowledge a problem.? No, I know there is a problem and i know who is responsible for the problem...Read my post again.

Just to clarify things. I was not in any camp, especially with anything that Cambridge Oxford and Eton #s out. I made my decision because it didn't want the xenophobic fascists to win.

Except labour did fail to plan for the population growth and the torys not only continued that but also cut.

Unless you can invent a time machine then we are stuck in a situation of too many people and not enough low income houseing and public services.

No the immigrants are not to blame.

But it still doesn't change the fact we have too many people and not enough resources.

Which means we need to build new schools, hospitals and homes.

But they dont pop up overnight. They take years to plan and build.

But its not fair in the mean time on the british people or the immigrants to take more in than we can house, educate and medically cope with.

In 45 the UK had # all. I mean Nothing. No Money, No housing, No NHS, No Welfare system and we owed the US and others money that would not be payed off for 60+ years....in that time we built hospitals, Schools. houses, had a welfare system that was the envy of the world, Built an NHS that was the envy of the world. wtf happened.?

How did we manage to do all that with nothing. Not a pot to piss in, when now, building one #ing school is beyond us without paying a private contractor to build and maintain it for decades at huge costs to the tax payer. Someone needs shot...in the face.

Those are my sentiments too.

Which is why we need to focus on getting the country up to shape nd fixing things.

We need to control immigration ( not stop it) while) we repair the damage the last few governments have left us.

www.bbc.co.uk...

I like this bit !

"I feel really bitter and emotional about it," says Iwona Erikson, cradling her baby daughter in one arm.
"I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought - 50% of the people here are racist. They have decided: 'We don't want foreigners here.' I had never felt discriminated against until now.

And this bit

Sawska, 20, has been working in the shop for five months. She moved from Poland with her parents and younger brother six months ago.
"My mother cleans houses and my stepfather and brother work in building," she says.
"We felt welcome here and the pay is good. I can earn £7 an hour, while in Poland I would earn £1.50 an hour.
"I planned to stay here for 10 or 15 years but now I don't know what we will do.

So now I'm racist and she's only here to take money and leave pffft.

I hope real racists show her, what a racist is not the people who voted for out !

No wonder people are starting to be racist

originally posted by: TheWisestCumbrian

It is just a bit unfortunate the age discrepancy in the voting. The younger generation live longer with a decision they didnt make.

I have told the younger members of my family that when i'm gone they'll

be grateful and remember me fondly and reminisce saying *she was a

shrewd old bird ..... She saved us from a fate worse than death*

originally posted by: Talorc

you're one of the wealthiest and most powerful countries on earth with some of the highest living standards. Life really wasn't tough for you to begin with. Pat yourselves on the back all you like.

It didnt just happen! the British worked toward it, and they are not going

to sit back and have it taken from them.

But know that people are laughing at you.

And he who laughs last ... laughs longest

originally posted by: Denoli
www.bbc.co.uk...

I like this bit !

"I feel really bitter and emotional about it," says Iwona Erikson, cradling her baby daughter in one arm.
"I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought - 50% of the people here are racist. They have decided: 'We don't want foreigners here.' I had never felt discriminated against until now.

And this bit

Sawska, 20, has been working in the shop for five months. She moved from Poland with her parents and younger brother six months ago.
"My mother cleans houses and my stepfather and brother work in building," she says.
"We felt welcome here and the pay is good. I can earn £7 an hour, while in Poland I would earn £1.50 an hour.
"I planned to stay here for 10 or 15 years but now I don't know what we will do.

So now I'm racist and she's only here to take money and leave pffft.

I hope real racists show her, what a racist is not the people who voted for out !

No wonder people are starting to be racist

Oh Jesus Wept.. wtf are you talking about.?

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Denoli
www.bbc.co.uk...

I like this bit !

"I feel really bitter and emotional about it," says Iwona Erikson, cradling her baby daughter in one arm.
"I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought - 50% of the people here are racist. They have decided: 'We don't want foreigners here.' I had never felt discriminated against until now.

And this bit

Sawska, 20, has been working in the shop for five months. She moved from Poland with her parents and younger brother six months ago.
"My mother cleans houses and my stepfather and brother work in building," she says.
"We felt welcome here and the pay is good. I can earn £7 an hour, while in Poland I would earn £1.50 an hour.
"I planned to stay here for 10 or 15 years but now I don't know what we will do.

So now I'm racist and she's only here to take money and leave pffft.

I hope real racists show her, what a racist is not the people who voted for out !

No wonder people are starting to be racist

Oh Jesus Wept.. wtf are you talking about.?

Been branded racist for voting out .

I'm not sure a rejection of intellectual and expert opinions and a spike in racism, is anything to celebrate for the country. Maybe a price worth paying for those who feel they have their country back, but if this is the country you want back. You keep it. I'm not sure it's a price worth paying

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Come now, we share views with Le Pen and Gert Wildeers - 2 hugely balanced individuals as i'm sure we can all agree?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Rick Astley poster..........pure brilliance.....

Well done

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I'm not sure a rejection of intellectual and expert opinions

You mean Politicians and Bankers?

They are experts at lying but would not call them "intellectual".
I trust there opinions as much as I trust a wet fart after a vindaloo.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
is anything to celebrate for the country. Maybe a price worth paying for those who feel they have their country back, but if this is the country you want back. You keep it. I'm not sure it's a price worth paying

And you think being under Brussels is better?

A organization that not only ignored the extreme need for reform and dissatisfaction but also the biggest refugee crisis since ww2?

They have literally played the fiddle while Rome has burned.

Instead of addressing the corruption, bureaucracy and other BS and reforming they instead wasted time making regulations on vegetables and other pretty crap.

Instead of working on a way to deal with the refugee crisis in a sensible manner that helps all, they did nothing while letting Mad Merkal open her borders to a million + migrants without any means of vetting or support hurting both the people of Mainland Europe and the Refugee themselves who find themselves in a alien culture without any help.


You want to be part of such a corrupt, ineffective and out of touch union that bucks and resists any change or reform?

originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Rick Astley poster..........pure brilliance.....

Well done

Not of my making buddy, I stole it. But you are correct. Brilliant.

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