Parents, I apologize.

I have been guilty of blaming parents for not being involved with their children, and forgoing discipline, for a BFF relationship and I apologize.

I am very aware that our society has been rapidly changing. I just wasn't aware of how low we have fallen.

It appears in some places parents have lost their parental rights, and are no longer in control of their children. I work in the Division of Safety, so I am very much aware of the amount of abuse that occurs in our society, but it seems we have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

Now, for those that will jump on the, it is abuse when a parent leave marks on their child when disciplining them. I can only say, "even if the claim that there were superficial injuries, the children are still alive, unhurt, and fully functional.

What are the odds that the children would be unscathed, untased, and alive, if the police were the ones handing out the discipline?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

This breaks my heart. She did what she felt she needed to do in the moment in time that the offense occurred. She wanted to stop them from thinking they could get away with breaking in and stealing from someone. She didn't want them to go on to eventually end up in jail or worse. Now the kids will be put in foster homes and the system will possibly do more harm. She said in the video that they had never been away from her, and she was always there for them. Imagine how that feels to them being taken from her and placed who knows where, with who knows who. And from what I have heard of foster care (no, not all foster parents are abusive, I know), they could possibly suffer worse than a spanking with a belt.

I wonder how anyone knew what she did. I didn't catch it in the video. I didn't watch all of it.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I'm amazed at the hypocrisy sometimes.

Remember during the riots (either Ferguson or Baltimore, I can't remember which one) a video surfaced of a mom seeking out her son in the middle of the mayhem and smacking the crap out of him and dragging him home? If I remember correctly, she was held up as a hero (which I agree with).

However, this woman, in a flash sees her young sons growing up to spend lives of crime behind bars, has a quick, knee-jerk reaction and smacks them with a belt a few times and she is a criminal and loses her kids...? What?

I suppose it's possible she really, REALLY whipped the hell out of them. Without knowing all the details I can't say for sure although at least the way SHE tells the story, they were running from her so how many licks could she have gotten in?

While I've never hit my kid and hope it never comes to that, I was hit from time to time as a kid and I sincerely believe I'm all the better for it.

On an emotional side: Hearing the desperation in that woman's voice is utterly heartbreaking. I'm hoping this gets resolved quickly and the kids are returned home. The problem is once social services are involved, things never seem to get resolved quickly.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I'm glad that you see what's going on. It's been escalating for a long time though. This started in the late 80's early 90's and it just gets worse as time goes on. Parents CAN'T discipline their children without risking losing them and having them dumped into foster care. Even in an abusive home, I mean genuinely abusive home, a child has a better chance of growing up to be a functional human being than they do once they are in the foster care system.

I hope she gets her kids back, she seems like a good mom actually.

Just for the record.

I am not against physical punishment in all situations.

I'd beat my kids for something like this too.

They'd learn not to ever do anything like that again.

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This is a law that needs to be revised.

a reply to: eluryh22
a reply to: Ellie Sagan
Parents are supposed to love, teach, nurture, and when necessary, discipline their children. Even animal parents, discipline their children. It may seem harsh to some, but it is required for survival.

Elury the mother that was videoed disciplining her child during the Ferguson riots, she was also criticized by many, but in both cases it is indeed hypocritical.

I myself called parents out, for not stepping up to the plate, and disciplining their children, if needed. I was ignorant of just how far they have gone to take away a parent's right to raise their on children. They want to take complete control of our children.

They want to control what they learn, what they think, and what they do. They alone wants to have the right to discipline your children, and when they get out of hand, they reserve the right to maim or kill them.

Ellie Sagan, there is no one in their right mind that can believe that those children are better off, or that it is in the best interest of those children, to take them from their mother, and place them in foster care with strangers.

I have been on a campaign in an attempt to get people to think for themselves, to break from the programming, and the conditioning. I keep asking people to pay attention, and ask the right questions. I am not encouraging that they debate with others. I am encouraging them to enlighten themselves. Surely we all know that something is amiss. We need to ask "ourselves" why.

Apparently only the police are allowed to hit her kids.

originally posted by: Annee
Just for the record.

I am not against physical punishment in all situations.

I'd beat my kids for something like this too.

They'd learn not to ever do anything like that again.

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This is a law that needs to be revised.

I agree with you 100%.

The system has an abysmal record when it comes to foster care, and never should a child be taken from loving parents, that discipline their children, without abusing them. All discipline, including corporal punishment, is not always abusive.

As Americans we have a strong propensity for overkill. We have to pay attention, and ask ourselves what is really going on. More importantly we need to demand answers, and changes, when and where they are needed.

originally posted by: DeadFoot
Apparently only the police are allowed to hit her kids.

And they would be lauded as heroes for injuring or killing them.

After all, the undisciplined thugs, are a danger, and a threat to their lives.

Kids need to get the # beaten out of them now and then, it builds character. I'm disappointed my parents didn't discipline me more, maybe I wouldn't have turned into such a delinquent. It's also a shame there were no military academies they could send me to in my country. Maybe I could have grown up to be a successful mercenary instead of being a conspiracy theorist kook.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Maybe I could have grown up to be a successful mercenary instead of being a conspiracy theorist kook.

You wouldn't have been able to get a guarantee on that one.

My parents were strict disciplinarians. Not big on corporal punishment, my dad preferred those creative punishments that gave you a long time to think about the error of your ways, and I still turned out to be a conspiracy theorist kook.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I grew up with getting smacked and hit when I did something wrong. Sure it hurt, and sometimes I did get a bruise from it. Yet it kept me out of trouble! I think many people my age (in their 50's and older) were afraid of the consequences our parents would dish out.

I remember my friends and I sharing stories of being hit by our parents for doing something wrong. We all had a good laugh as if showing scars from a battle. We all look back at it now and realize that even though people today would call it child abuse, it actually kept us on the straight and narrow.

Teachers today are having trouble controlling student behavior because kids today have no fear! It's a joke if they get suspended and if they get an after school detention they usually don't show up! They no longer have the fear of being paddled when their disruptive behavior in the classroom is disrupting the entire class. When someone was paddled back in the day, you could hear a pin drop when the kid came back in the room. Nobody wanted to take the chance of being paddled.

a reply to: Ellie Sagan

She didn't want them to go on to eventually end up in jail or worse. Now the kids will be put in foster homes and the system will possibly do more harm.

Yep have to feed the industrial prison complex, cant have parents disciplining their own children so they do not become career criminals.....the whole system is ass backwards

a reply to: WeRpeons

I'm reminded of this cheesy movie where the teachers were secretly robots.. they should go for robot teachers, might teach these gangbangers a lessor or two.

Looked it up.. the movie was called Class of 1999, we're 17 years behind.

Or they could hire Samuel L Jackson's character from 187 to hunt them down with bow and arrow.. love that movie.

a reply to: WeRpeons

They no longer have the fear of being paddled when their disruptive behavior in the classroom is disrupting the entire class. When someone was paddled back in the day, you could hear a pin drop when the kid came back in the room. Nobody wanted to take the chance of being paddled.

If I was disciplined in school, by the time I got home, my parents already knew about it, and I was sure to receive another punishment when I got home.

My dad used to say that if we misbehaved in public, it made everyone think that he was a lousy father, and it was an embarrassment if his children were so undisciplined that someone else had to discipline them.

We are just a wee bit shy of a dozen. We all turned out well, independent, and college educated. We all are civic minded, and are actively involved in giving back to our communities. Discipline was a major factor in making us who we are.

I remember when you misbehaved, the policed loved taking you home to your parents, because they knew that you would get a far worse punishment from you parents, than you would ever get from law enforcement.

What happened to that?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

While I didn't go to school at a time when teachers could physically discipline you.... there is a difference between then and now.

Back in the day, if my parents received a phone call or letter from the school telling them that I did one bad thing or another.... it was AUTOMATIC that the teachers were in the right and I was in the wrong. Me being punished was AUTOMATIC as well (not necessarily with getting hit, although that was not out of the question).

These days it seems that a lot of parents, too many parents' first instinct is to assume that their precious little angel either didn't do anything wrong, or that someone else is to blame for provoking their little angel. The thing is, these types of parents don't realize that they aren't doing their kids any favors in the long run.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

the movie was called Class of 1999

In a somewhat funny coincidence. I remember that movie mostly because I was still somewhat young when it came out and my dopey friends and I decided to head over to the movie theatre that was in a questionable part of town, at night, after going to a carnival, without telling any of our parents. If I remember correctly, the movie started at about the time we were all supposed to be home.

We all got DESTROYED when we got home.

It's funny, I don't remember the specific whoopings I got growing up, but I sure as hell didn't forget the lessons that accompanied each one. Childrens' asses are resilient, their decision making abilities, particularly when allowed to sag and stray down the wrong path unimpeded, are not. Modern society is a craphole where child rearing is concerned.

Hehe.. to be honest. I don't know if this type of punishment would have only furthered my unruly behaviour. I was always hard to control. My mother didn't beat me but she had to sit on me to calm me down.. I think this is how some people handle hyperactive cats.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Hehe.. to be honest. I don't know if this type of punishment would have only furthered my unruly behaviour. I was always hard to control. My mother didn't beat me but she had to sit on me to calm me down.. I think this is how some people handle hyperactive cats.

We have a tall stool we stick in the middle of the room, where kid can't grab or touch anything.

We start when they are very young about age 3 (shorter stool). Kid can't get off the stool until he/she voluntarily talks about why he/she is there.

It forces kid to open up and talk about what happened and how they feel.

We also make them talk about their day in school and their friends. The teenager got put on it a couple times because she was being all drama and wouldn't talk about it.

Its funny, because we started so young the kids don't think they have a choice. Shhh, don't tell them.