who used the pencil at the polling station?

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

The public is allowed into the building to witness the sealing of the boxes as a mater of course and many a time the presiding officer returning the box will be followed by people (better if they say ahead as sometimes the PO is a female and being followed aint fun and plod gets called), i'm sure with some more nutter occasions the PO has traveled to the counting centre with the main parties in the vehicle while someone else drives and they keep it on their knees (but that could be rumor)

The UK system is pretty much robust in theory...and after spending possibly 18+ hours awake the PO doesn't care who voted for what just to hand over the box and head to bed.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

It doesn't matter what you do because its not the vote that matters, its the "vote count" that matters. That's how they rig the elections.

Too bad if you don't like reality, but that's just the way it is.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: DupontDeux

Disappearing ink? Ok I know there is such a thing but that still sounds so far fetched. Sorry.

Really? Why?

Billions of pounds (or euros) are often at stake at elections - and entire nation states can be interested in fixing the outcome of an election.

It would be really easy to swap pens; I know this is going to sound patronizing (sorry about that), but you do know that disappearing ink is a real thing, and that is readily available, right?

Anyway, the rule of thumb is that you ALWAYS choose the safest option when presented with a choice about how to conduct an election.

Apparently there is no end to the crazy stupid stuff Brexiters will believe.

UK Elections are very difficult to tamper with. The ballot boxes are sealed and monitored by independent officials from the electoral commission. They're monitored by observers from all of the parties involved in the election. And by reporters. And by members of the general public.

Counting happens in public spaces. And there's just no window of opportunity to tamper with them.

a reply to: Painterz
Not specifically Brexiters.
There was online agitation about the evils of pencils at the last General Election.

I'm just wondering where all those hands have been before they touch the pencil to fill in their vote.

a reply to: DISRAELI


Really? I missed that. Then clearly the electoral commission needs to do a bit more education about why pencils and how the ballot process is very secure.

a reply to: Painterz
I think it's partly an age issue. I'm old enough to be aware that pencils have been the normal practice for donkey's years.
I suspect the agitation was strongest among conspiracy-minded first-time voters.

I took a fine Sharpie and voted.

No probs from any of the people at the polling station about it either.

CX.

Anyone who is worried about the counting process, switch over to Sky. You can see some of it on camera.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Painterz
I think it's partly an age issue. I'm old enough to be aware that pencils have been the normal practice for donkey's years.
I suspect the agitation was strongest among conspiracy-minded first-time voters.

Well no, I've been voting for ages... today I just thought how simple it all looked.

a reply to: DupontDeux

Far fetched because it would require people from several different districts to be in cahoots to replace pens provided by the board of electorates with pens with disappearing ink. Then just one voter needs to take a pen with them. It happens. Oops I didn't give them back their pen. Oh well. It's just a pen. Then they use it and the cats out of the bag. They maybe can't prove where the pen came from but they can raise suspicions. Then they also need to make sure that no one in their group of many bogus election board members talk. Deep throats are a dime a dozen. Hello Washington post guess what?
Next thing you know presidents are resigning , V.P. is resigning, the speaker of the house is president and ...


Or GB is exiting the EU...

a reply to: Painterz

I watched a bit of the process on tv a while ago. They showed people passing the ballot boxes fire brigade style hand to hand then they were dumped out on a table. ¿¿¿¿

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

originally posted by: Joneselius
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Even if you used a pen, if 'they' wanted to 'they' could just add another 'X' in the other box. Invalidating your vote anyway.....

I guess that's true.

I read that all ballet boxes are collected at end of days voting with one person watching the box whilst another locks it up.

But what if all those that voted early or by post , their votes were taken to say France to be counted ahead of time people would kick up a stink , or the votes were driven or flown by 1 read one person to point x to be counted , It would not take a master criminal to see the flaws in that one , Yet all that happened in the Scottish referendum of 2014 with the exception of West minster instead of France being where the early votes were counted

Old dave looked way to smug the other night to let the rabble have a say

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Well stuff me i never saw that one coming