Former president's of the U.S. on the invisible government...

a reply to: Phage

I fiercely disagree.

It surprises me to see you take such a firm stand on the issue.

You are forcing me to adjust my understanding of your intellectual integrity on such matters.

I'm stunned. Sadly stunned.

I had rated your capacity to take in masses of information and capably sift and sort it according to reasonably objective and fitting criteria to be in the top 0.0001%.

I no longer do. That's extremely sad, to me.

I cannot understand how you can trash assertions e.g. by FDR, Eisenhower et al so glibly. Their statements are very straightforward.

And they are but two of many such lofty folks who have been bold and courageous enough to call a spade a spade in this sphere.

Where's Phage's famous boldness to tell the truth as it is?

Or are you full of so much propaganda and revisionist hogwash that your blinders really do exist?

I'm still shocked. Stunned.

a reply to: BO XIAN
So much talk about me.
Gosh. I am severe chastised. Or not.

a reply to: Phage

You sound as though the fuller context negated the point that the oligarchy was exercising tyrannical power.

If that's your conclusion, I'm shocked.

It seems to me that the fuller context greatly AFFIRMS that the oligarchy--the monopolistic oligarchy very skillfully and persistently, tenaciously exercises tyrannical power squashing thousand, millions of 'the little people' in the pants suit's words.

a reply to: Phage

LOLOL.

I'm not sure you have the capacity to be chastised! LOL.

But that WAS a clever deflection and avoidance of the issue of such statements by such political elites over many decades.

a reply to: Phage

However,

not all your "vetting"

logically changes anything. Some of it even more strongly affirms the activities of the tyrannical oligarchy.

Yet you seem to ignore that fact vs admit it.

That's more than a lot puzzling.

a reply to: AMPTAH

I think you have a much, MUCH more accurate handle on the realities in such matters and groups than do some of the illustrious posters on such threads.

Is it willful blindness on their parts?

Complicity?

Delusion?

Ignorance?

What?

Mystifying.

Not even the word of a president is enough to wake people up. Let alone 3 or 4 or 5...

a reply to: onequestion

The third quote ,the one from Mayor Hylan made me instantly think of this
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I think you have a much, MUCH more accurate handle on the realities in such matters and groups than do some of the illustrious posters on such threads. Is it willful blindness on their parts? Complicity? Delusion? Ignorance? What? Mystifying.

Perhaps it's just in their nature to debunk everything, or at least try too, just to prove a point perhaps?
In many ways I like some serious skepticism, where it's objective and critical thinking is being applied. But sometimes it's like people argue just for the sake of it so it seems... It's like my aunt used to say to my cousin, "You would call white black as long as I said it was white"

You've made some good points in your posts, those that don't have the wool over their eyes can see it clearly enough.

You guise like math right? Here ya go, as above so below...



... and well just side them into one instead of touch tips like God and Adam in that pact of providence.



There ya go sweethearts.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: onequestion
If true that means there is an enemy that you can't see, recognize or identify. That would be a very difficult situation to rectify.
I find it hard to believe Washington was smack talking the masons, George Washington joined the Masonic Lodge in Fredericksburg, Virginia at the age of 20 in 1752.

He didn't like Adam weishaupt and rightly so because weishaupt started the Illuminati and infiltrated the Mason's and perverted it from the inside. Now people at the inner core are people like the Rothschilds.

a reply to: Phage

If he didn't remove it someone would be complaining about not removing it.

It's not a chicken# move, he wasn't aware of the context of the quote and used it haphazardly. Removing it was positive, he acknowledged the problem and consequently corrected the OP. Just like newspapers do when they print something false, they offer a correction.

a reply to: BO XIAN

What are you even talking about? He may be intelligent but his positions are always in line with the conventional view. If it ever deviates from what is commonly taught he'll take the opposite stance by default. You've been here since 2005, haven't you noticed this?

When asked if he thought there were any UFO cases that he thought couldn't be explained by mundane means he answered: no. Not a single one.. Out of all the countless cases with fantastic characteristics and even trace evidence. I don't think it's possible to be more biased than that, what an utterly boring mind.

I think some of these skeptics are afraid of the possibility of a fantastic World(dealing mainly with alien and spiritual realities here). I think they purposefully disbelieve in a lot of this stuff because they're afraid it might not be true. They won't let themselves believe in these type of things because they're afraid they may be let down. I don't know, I've noticed tendencies like this, sometimes they even come close to admitting it.

The NWO is very different. Most do not want it to be true.

A certain type of person will find these theories cartoonish and childish. This stuff could never happen in the real World, it's all too serious and down to Earth. We live in a boring mundane reality.. Well, what if reality was ridiculous? What if reality was fantastic? What if it really were, how would people relate to this possibility? It's possible, how can we let our sense of "what's realistic" define reality for us when we are so ignorant of everything? Their sense of the possible is based on their very limited frame of reference. I think it's a very limited view.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Kester

They were F-18's, Harriers and other marine and Naval aircraft in stealth equipment.

They would fly in and leave, they had their own plain captains and everything. I worked in maintenance control and never heard a peep about them, all of the senior personnel just kept their lips sealed.

We did some really high profile stuff when I was there and I had a security clearance.

This is nearly ten years ago and the one high profile thing we did was equip a specific Helo with a a laser defense system. I won't tell you what helo it was and why it was getting equipped.

I

Is that right?
You had security clearance and what you are describing sounds something not only way out there in the land of imagination but if true would mean you are bound by the secrecy act..yet here you are on a public forum telling the world.

For those reading, this is how you tell lies as lies.

Sounds too good to be true or way out there and not plausible?
Sounds like something that would be covered by secrecy acts or confidentially agreements?

Then it's a lie.

It's a lie because if something as fantastical as what's claimed in this post was actually real there'd be no way anyone involved in any way like he claims to be would be posting to tell you about it lol.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

A certain type of person will find these theories cartoonish and childish.

Another type of person will accept anything and everything, as long as it is counter to the "conventional view."
A certain type of person cares nothing about verifying anything as long as it is counter to the "conventional view."
A certain type of person will wallow in nonsense as long as it is counter to the "conventional view."
A certain type of person seems to entirely lack the skills of critical thought.

a reply to: Phage

Is the idea that some combination of corporate think-tanks, fraternities like the Freemasons, clubs like the Bilderbergers, people with one foot in the MIC and the other in a high gov. position, etc have more sway over government policy than do the citizens or even the politicians themselves that hard to believe?

I mean, it's not like they have to be Luciferian reptilians or anything.

a reply to: humanityrising
From what I've seen, it's about a very small cadre (the "Illuminati", specifically) being in control of global politics and economies.

I have no doubt that undue influence is used (and peddled) to greater and lesser degrees. However, it has been my experience and observation that no single group has the cohesion, will, or ability to execute the above.

Excepting reptilians, of course, since they aren't subject to human failings.

It has been my observation that those who espouse such ideas lack a sense of control of their on lives and project that onto something over which they have no control as a coping mechanism. Often, to support that paradigm, they will take statements of those in authority out of context and distort them to fit.

a reply to: Phage

I know you're probably busy as we all are, but if you like to read, I would suggest digesting The Creature From Jekyll Island and then letting me know what you think. I'd be genuinely interested in your opinion as you seem to be a voice of reason around here. I would absolutely read one of your suggestions too if you'd do the same

Also, just an afterthought, but this notion that nothing could possibly be legitimate unless one of your approved sources of information says it is, is the opposite of individual thinking and denying ignorance. There's a new generation of 'SOURCE PLEASE' keyboard warriors that are just as guilty as the wildest conspiracy theorists are, IMO.

a reply to: humanityrising

There's a new generation of 'SOURCE PLEASE' keyboard warriors that are just as guilty as the wildest conspiracy theorists are, IMO.

A lack of critical thinking is not restricted to any particular persuasion.

a reply to: Phage

Very true. Moved that to my last post as I saw you had already replied to the one I edited it into.

One thing is for sure to me; the control/manipulation/subversion of population is a science that has been evolving for thousands of years. Think-tanks a la Tavistock, and Machiavellian methods of swaying public opinion to benefit those in control or pacify those who threaten hegemony, are very real and very effective thanks to research done by Freud, Jung, Bernays et al. I have seen these methods implemented swiftly with surgical precision, especially when some plausible conspiracy 'theories' start to gain traction, or when the government makes epic mistakes. Astroturfing, public 'commentary' by talking heads pushing a narrative, censorship...this is the world we live in. It's really not as cut and dry as the average person assumes.

I remember a JRE podcast where Cenk Uygur mentions he quit MSNBC because his boss told him 'Washington said he needed to tone it down'. That means Washington is giving orders to MSM media outlets on what to cover and what rhetoric is acceptable. (!)