Stargate SG-1 End Credit's; U.S. Space Command

originally posted by: onequestion
Oh I don't know... in 1995 the CIA allegedly ends a program called Stargate which is a remote viewing program possibly used to view other worlds?

In the TV series they use the Stargat to visit other worlds and it just so happened the show was create 2 years later.

That's impeccable timing and plotline similarity.

Think about it logically. Lets start with this premise, what would viewing other worlds actually get you? Especially when the viewers aren't cross trained in the other skills that would be needed. You couldn't read documents, you couldn't listen to conversations, from the view of an individual you wouldn't learn about new government structures or an overview of a financial system. You wouldn't learn about their religion because you can't understand the language. You wouldn't be able to reverse engineer any technology either.

What would remote viewing another world actually get you?

a reply to: Aazadan

what would viewing other worlds actually get you?

I have no idea ask Ingo Swann.

Especially when the viewers aren't cross trained in the other skills that would be needed.

Again with the absolutes, how do you know?

You couldn't read documents, you couldn't listen to conversations, from the view of an individual you wouldn't learn about new government structures or an overview of a financial system.

Don't think you that it would be valuable for potential space programs to have a target or a direction to move in?

You wouldn't be able to reverse engineer any technology either.

Again with the absolutes, how do you know?

What would remote viewing another world actually get you?

Instead of thinking logically, let's think creatively...

Ummmmm, positioning? How about what direction do we send the next voyager in, what about radio frequencies?

How about just the knowledge of the fact that there are other advanced civilizations. Maybe they can sense a presence and remote view back and the potential target could sense them being remote viewed?

What do you actually know about remote viewing?

a reply to: Zaphod58

So why was space command involved?

a reply to: onequestion

What does Space Command have to do with producing?

I don't know how many ways to say it. They had Air Force advisors on the show to advise them on military matters to make is as accurate as possible. They had nothing to do with producing, writing, except where it tied to military matters, directing or anything else.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Zaphod58

So why was space command involved?

A little place called Cheyenne Mountain

a reply to: onequestion
well your wrong about them only consulting on one movie or show. if you click the name you see they consulted on one other
show.

notice all the military consultant on the other Other Companies page.
from that shows IMDB page,

Other Companies
Buckley Air National Guard Base (special thanks)
Clay Digital Sound (sound editorial)
Colorado Casting Association (Denver casting)
Colorado Film Commission (special thanks)
Colorado National Guard (special thanks)
Department of Defense (we gratefully acknowledge the cooperation of) (as The Dept. of Defense)
Department of the Air Force (we gratefully acknowledge the cooperation of) (as The Dept. of the Air Force)
Department of the Army (we gratefully acknowledge the cooperation of) (as The Dept. of the Army)
Fitzsimons U.S. Army Garrison (special thanks)
Four Media Company (film & electronic lab services)
Good People of Denver, Colorado, The (special thanks)
Irving, Texas Film Commission (special thanks)
Kansas City, Missouri Film Office (special thanks)
Maximum Talent Agency (extras casting) (as Maximum Talent)
Media 100 (editing systems) Micronet (editing systems)
Missouri National Guard (special thanks)
The National Guard Bureau (we gratefully acknowledge the cooperation of)
U.S. Space Command (special thanks)
Asteroid (1997 TV Movie) Company Credits

so it appears your wrong about them consulting on just one show.

originally posted by: onequestion
Again with the absolutes, how do you know?

The list of participants in Stargate is public knowledge, even if it weren't I have some concept of what it would be asking for. Participants would need to be highly skilled in several disciplines, in addition to likely having a photographic memory. Just having the breadth of skills is nearly impossible for a single person. Even more, reverse engineering technology is extremely difficult, especially if you're trying to figure out the process from looking at the results.

To give just two simple historical examples it's been 2000 years and no one has figured out what a Roman Dodacehedron is for. It's only been in the last 20 or so that we figured out how to create Roman concrete. That's simple technology, now imagine trying to figure out how to reconstruct a microchip only through watching the output. Even watching the construction process does little to explain how it works, as you can see from the Chinese having immense trouble copying our technology even though they have all the factories.

Don't think you that it would be valuable for potential space programs to have a target or a direction to move in?

Assuming you would be able to observe the planets and construct a star chart, no... not really, not without a much stronger means of propulsion. Broadcasting signals go in all directions and focusing them doesn't speed them up, besides that if there's something like remote viewing it stands to reason that it would be your method of communication since it apparently circumvents the speed of light.

There is also little value in sending manned missions to meet another civilization if you have some other method of communication. Competing with another civilization for land and resources isn't ideal, instead a space program would be better off finding uninhabited land. Eventually trade with an alien race could be beneficial but there's several other prerequisites to meet before that's the case. As it is now, if we met with a civilization that had the technology to reach us we would almost certainly be in trouble.

Again with the absolutes, how do you know?

Because I understand the difficulty involved.

a reply to: Aazadan

Ingo Swann successfully discovered the rings on Jupiter among other things that weren't discovered until later, all during the Stargate program. The one that has the same name as the TV show about a top secret space program traveling to different world.


Ingo Swann

In the 1970's Swann conducted Remote Viewing sessions targeting Jupiter and its surrounding moons, as well as Mars and Mercury. The findings of his well-known Jupiter probe were later confirmed by Voyager's own tour of the planet in 1979. During Swann's Remote Viewing sessions of Mars, he reported seeing water, among other observations. Decades later, in 2015, NASA scientists announced that they believed they could finally confirm that water flows on the surface of Mars. And Edgar Mitchell, who made his historical moon voyage in 1971, said in the National Enquirer, "It took Mariner 10 months to get to Mercury -- but Mr. Swann was able to project his consciousness there in an instant. Mr. Swann's findings, -- weeks before we received the Mariner data -- were incredibly accurate."

a reply to: onequestion

None of that means he would be any good at observing another species. Where's the examples of how he was able to reverse engineer Russian MIGs in the 70's back when they had better fighter jets than us? That would have been of much higher priority to the military than seeing if Jupiter had rings.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Hazardous1408

And you have proof that there's more right? Not the word of some hacker who couldn't even take a screenshot, but actual proof?

Now, Zaph . . . just how likely is it that "proof" of such topics, facts, personnel, organizations

would REALLLLY be 'provably' outted any time short of 50-100 more years?

originally posted by: Spacespider
Well Perhaps Gary McKinnon was on to something.

And there is something called Naval Space Command

a military command of the United States Navy. It was headquartered at Dahlgren, Virginia (USA), and began operations 1 October 1983. Naval Space Command used the medium of space and its potential to provide essential information and capabilities to shore and afloat naval forces by a variety of means

All the talk of Space Command and talk of offworld ships was code talk for Missile Silo Base operations, to think the US has in its possession Craft capable of going out of the atmosphere is infantile. Even the shuttle never left the high orbit of this Planet let alone did a quick spin around the moon for a look, the technicians running NASA now couldn't hold a candle to Von Braun and his Germanic brilliance.

I always loved the visual element of the original movie that came out in 1994, the show went a different direction plot wise but it was a great show I was sad to see it end. The military has always taken interest in media, and the DoD is more then happy to help shape and protect its public image, any department under their command is at your disposal USSPACECOM included, they will want to see your script and possibly make revisions when put in a unfavorable light but this has been common in the movie industry for years.

As for reasons for the war in the middle east there is no shortage of them, I have to look at it from several perspectives, you've already mentioned oil and mineral resources, but there is also ideological/religious reasons for many groups as well.

Its a unstable region with nuclear capabilities so being in a position to prevent or control emerging situations is the cold war standard, and although the cold war ended on the surface military leaders would have no intention of letting their guard down against Russia and China, having troops in the middle east would be a huge strategic advantage I imagine, kinda like parking the swat van in front of your house.

What kind of information was being provided to the show from Space Command?

My guess in the opening shots of Cheyenne Mountain.

The once home to Norad.

Isn't there a door inside the mountain that says "Stargate Command" or something similar and its just a broom cupboard for the lulz.

I'd imagine they'll always try and get the details right such as the fruit salad on the uniforms and also the gear as nothings worse than trying to watch a program and the person next to you is going "but they retired the model 13 rifle in 1994 and by 1997 they would be using the model 17 and at such bases the grey was 2 shades darker than normal bases.....blah blah blah..." so really you do need someone in the military just to make sure everythings ship shape and Bristol fashion.

The show does the USAF no discredits and I think Hammond IIRC was a captain in the AF so its why he gives it a bit more realism even if it was a few pay grades above his real rank.

a reply to: YarlanZey

Yah, was going to say Gen. Jumper was on and if you know some of the AFRL and Space Command guys you could occasionally spot them doing cameos as extras.

a reply to: YarlanZey

Daily Double!

I remember an episode of 60 minutes last year about Space Command:

www.youtube.com...

not sure if this is pointed out yet, BUT

there is an episode of SG-1 that the team is employed to review a tv show called "Wormhole X-treme" I think this is probably the real reason the Air Force and Space Command were employed for SG-1. to make sure they don't air anything "too close" to the truth.

Don't you just love a thread trying to get answers on a subject that by nature relies on nobody talking.

I'm pretty sure the CIA watch sites like this but don't expect a user to reveal him or herself no more than we ever will be told 100% of the truth 100% of the time..

People can make up their own theories and that is all they will most likely ever be, take JFK, maybe the official story is real and on the day everything happened as said but if there is a different story that is true do you believe it would get out and be supported, hell, even if the Government actually made a statement saying the official story is fake would you really believe them?

I just believe there would be a new series of conspiracies trying to explain that its a lie..

The thread has degenerated in to random stories and theories which the very people who know the answers to them will never speak to confirm or deny them. its just spiralling...

a reply to: onequestion

There were some very good threads on ATs in years past about the stargates in the middleeast that are well worth finding and dusting off.

I was just thinking about this lately and even thought about the show this morning.