If UK Votes Remain in the Referendum There is a Chance For Another Recession

Its being an interesting month seeing how the remain camp has being using the fear tactics that if voters vote leave in the Referendum. It would cause a Recession.

A Recession in the EU already happened once there are signs now in Europe that another Another Recession will happen and thats due to number of issues, Greece unemployment rate are still high and debt is not fixed. Italy and France are in the same crisis as Spain.

Even if Remain Wins In Referendum Europe is still Unstable.

Because of the death of the MP on the remain and should remain camp win. The situation in Europe is still Unstable economically. And not far from a collapse.

If this was a vote to join the E.U, do you think the people of the U.K would vote in favour of doing so?

The E.U is broken and we can either be dragged down with it, or we can choose to go our own way and leave them to the sorry mess that is already here.

a reply to: Raven95

signs now in Europe that another Another Recession will happen and thats due to number of issues, Greece unemployment rate are still high and debt is not fixed. Italy and France are in the same crisis as Spain.

That sounds like a fine argument for the UK to leave the EU , with just a few days to go I believe we will vote to leave and be better off for it.
Bye Bye Europe , thanks for all the Fish Quota's.

originally posted by: Raven95
Its being an interesting month seeing how the remain camp has being using the fear tactics that if voters vote leave in the Referendum. It would cause a Recession.

A Recession in the EU already happened once there are signs now in Europe that another Another Recession will happen and thats due to number of issues, Greece unemployment rate are still high and debt is not fixed. Italy and France are in the same crisis as Spain.

Even if Remain Wins In Referendum Europe is still Unstable.

Because of the death of the MP on the remain and should remain camp win. The situation in Europe is still Unstable economically. And not far from a collapse.

I think regardless of whether at this point remain or exit wins, the UK people will be financially punished by the PTB. I think if exit wins, the PTB will try to punish harder by calling government loans and bonds

Cheers - Dave

I was skint before the last recession, during the recession and I'm skint right now lol, nothings gona change for me so i'l still be voting out

In truth no one will know what will happen if the vote is "leave".

Most pundits predict some mayhem, but how long and how severe is speculative. The real question is whether the UK will benefit in the medium to long-term.

Other questions include whether a Europe without the UK will be stuffed. I hope not, but a Europe where France is unbalanced is doomed, IMHO.

originally posted by: paraphi
In truth no one will know what will happen if the vote is "leave".

Most pundits predict some mayhem, but how long and how severe is speculative. The real question is whether the UK will benefit in the medium to long-term.

Other questions include whether a Europe without the UK will be stuffed. I hope not, but a Europe where France is unbalanced is doomed, IMHO.

True apart from the fact that just about every economic expert do predict that we will be worse off if we leave, to the point the EXIT camp haven't even tried to dispute it.
Nothing that the exit camp say is linked to the economy other than "We won't have to pay the EU therefore we'll be better off" which is a simple fallacy, almost dogwhistle politics.

Neither side has covered themselves in glory but only one side is constantly lying, twisting and using propaganda that the Nazi's would be proud of.

It is a self fulfilling prophecy. If everybody believes the system will collapse on Brexit, it will indeed collapse on Brexit as everybody tried to sell sell sell. Having said that, the EU is a sick system that deserves to be put down. It has no self cleaning ability, it only lives to create more rules, more EU, more government workers. It is a cancer. It does not care about the citizens, only about making more money for the 10000 top officials in Brussels. And they will quietly walk away from the collapse. Rich.

Whatever happens, there will be another downturn and if Britain votes leave, the remainers will decry the outcome as being the cause.

If we stay we will be, according to the billboards, safer, richer, less lonely. But when the next downturn hits, will the remainer pundits admit they voted for Britain to go down with the sinking ship?

Personally, I think it is all tosh.

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: paraphi
In truth no one will know what will happen if the vote is "leave".

Most pundits predict some mayhem, but how long and how severe is speculative. The real question is whether the UK will benefit in the medium to long-term.

Other questions include whether a Europe without the UK will be stuffed. I hope not, but a Europe where France is unbalanced is doomed, IMHO.

True apart from the fact that just about every economic expert do predict that we will be worse off if we leave, to the point the EXIT camp haven't even tried to dispute it.
Nothing that the exit camp say is linked to the economy other than "We won't have to pay the EU therefore we'll be better off" which is a simple fallacy, almost dogwhistle politics.

Neither side has covered themselves in glory but only one side is constantly lying, twisting and using propaganda that the Nazi's would be proud of.

Where were they when Osborne continuously got his projections wrong over the last six years?

Ummm, nowhere that's where they were.

Now we are supposed to trust them, even though they never once spoke out against Osborne's projections. The man has got it wrong year after year for over six years.

These so called experts decided to keep quiet over the last six years, but they are our only hope now??

America is Germany's biggest customer, America does not pay tax to the EU, why should anyone else?

Only 13% of British goods goes to the EU, made by British firms, but all British firms have to abide by EU rules and regulations.

Yes, Britain gets most of its payments back, but it can only be spent on what the EU says it can be spent on.

So, the EU is great, if so, why hasn't America even bothered to ask to join?

Britain traded with the rest of the world before the EU, and did not need anyone's permission to do so, unlike to-day.

The 'refugees' flooding into Europe, the EU wants Britain to take its 'fair share' , so where are they going to live? what schools are children do don't understand English go to? What jobs are non English speaking males going to do? There are already forty million people too many on this tiny island, before 1939 this island imported thirty million tonnes of food per year, what tonnage is imported now?

originally posted by: pikestaff
... before 1939 this island imported thirty million tonnes of food per year, what tonnage is imported now?

Well...

But although the UK has a thriving farming sector – it exported £12Bn of food and drink in 2007 – Britain is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 40% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising. Therefore, as a food-trading nation, Britain relies on both imports and thriving export markets to feed itself and drive economic growth.

Source

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

George Osborne? How about virtually every economist on the planet from USA to China. Mark Carney, THE IMF. Or how about disputing it, Farage, Gove and Grayling can't even agree on whether there would be tariffs on trade deals, their views run from NO, maybe and yes.

How much is your liberty worth?

As members of the EU we cannot ever elect someone who can draft a law.

That's not democracy, it's akin to dissolving the house of Commons and just letting the House of Lords rule us.

Are any of you really happy with that?

And finally, if it could have been reformed at some point in the last 40 years, don't you think that would have happened?

You guys know that the EU isn't a dictatorship, right? We have elections every four years and we cast votes for MEPs.

It's a democratic body. We elect them.

originally posted by: Painterz
You guys know that the EU isn't a dictatorship, right? We have elections every four years and we cast votes for MEPs.

It's a democratic body. We elect them.

And not one of the people we are allowed to vote for can EVER draft, enact or repeal a law.

Those rights lie with the commissioners who we are most definitely not allowed to elect. Nor observe during their debates.

a reply to: Painterz

Well.......... Isn't a democratic body. But i get your joke lol.

a reply to: paraphi

Most pundits predict some mayhem

The same pundits who failed to predict the 2008 market crash right?

but a Europe where France is unbalanced is doomed

France is already unbalanced.

I love how in the guardian users claim the following.

Rejecting experts means rejecting reason and analysis and relying on emotion. Emotional prejudice can lead a country to very dark places. Far better to stay calm, consider the advice, options and risks, and vote with your head not your emotions. There are many good things about the EU. Vote remain

There many good things about the EU indeed lol. I have no idea what kind of crap David Cameron or the Remain but a larger number of Italians sure dont have anything postive about the EU.

originally posted by: pikestaffThe 'refugees' flooding into Europe, the EU wants Britain to take its 'fair share' , so where are they going to live? what schools are children do don't understand English go to? What jobs are non English speaking males going to do?

Recently I read an article about a primary school down my neck of the woods that sends their weekly newsletter out in polish as they have more polish kids then English!!! If you want the English version they have it online for you to read

Their was also something on dailymail a few days ago about building companies advertising for polish builders only, I'm guessing because they seem happy to work for minimum wage. Takes the P***, I know a builder who's out of work at the mo and would kill for that job
I'm a welder, all of the labourers at my last job except 1 were all foreign, Luckily British welders are classed as some of the best so I've yet to meet a foreign welder in any place I've worked so far